Jetstar's 1st B787

[Ray P.]

Here she is, white engines and all:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7438/9473163523_5c63e352c4_b.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5442/9473163365_362911a67f_b.jpg

[Thomas Collins]

Coming out of the paintshop (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.587512981292424.1073741853.144075565636170&type=3).

[Michael Cleary]

SMH has a set of 8 photos too:

http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/travel/jetstars-first-7878-dreamliner-20130812-2rria.html

[NathanJ]

The white engines look odd...

[Nathan Long]

The wings and tailplane are white too...

[Thomas Collins]

They're unable to paint the engines.

[Lukas M]

BA has blue engines for some reason.

[Adam W]

Jetstar have GE engines, BA have Rolls Royce engines.

[Rowan McKeever]

Qatar have GE and at least some of theirs have grey engines. From what I've read the engine casing is the same for both GE and RR and the issue with paint is to do with laminar flow. I think the white looks silly but perhaps VKA's engine casings were painted before Boeing approved 'colours other than white'? Maybe silver or grey will come with later deliveries? Also I think the white wing and tail surfaces don't affect the 'look' of the plane ('the vibe of the thing'!?) because their horizontal surfaces so a little less visible.

[Joe Frampton]

Let's hope for no battery incidents on this beauty... any black marks will be rather visible on that nice white body... :D

[Thomas Collins]

The body is grey?

[Ash W]

I thought it was silver actually! Point though grey, white, silver, whatever we all know what Joe was saying.

[Julian L]

From what I have heard, only white and grey are approved for the laminar flow, but customers can choose other colours at a drag penalty.

[Kurt A]

Nice pic from the air.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jetstar-Airways/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/2299796/L/

[Ash W]

From what I have heard, only white and grey are approved for the laminar flow, but customers can choose other colours at a drag penalty.

I think you will find the requirement, or more to the point recomendation for white or grey applies to the engine cowling, not the body, which is what was being disucssed. Something to do with paint thickness and as you mentioned laminar flow.

[Rowan McKeever]

Yeah that's right Ash, from what I've read it's about the engine cowling and it's the number of coats required to get the darker colours like BA blue, makes the paint layer thicker obviously and disrupts the laminar flow.

[Julian L]

I think you will find the requirement, or more to the point recomendation for white or grey applies to the engine cowling, not the body, which is what was being disucssed. Something to do with paint thickness and as you mentioned laminar flow.

Yeah I was talking about the engines, I didn't mean the colours for the body.
My mistake, wash't clear enough

[Greg Hyde]

Does anyone know the delivery schedule ie:

Pre-first flight checks (days)
First flight (date)
Jetstar pre-delivery checks
Aussie arrival date (proposed)

[Greg Hyde]

Crickey is reporting that Jetstars first B787 will have its ff on 10/09/2013

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2013/08/25/larger-model-dreamliner-787-9-rolls-out-in-everett/

[Greg Hyde]

First 787 added to the Aust. Reg.


ADD VKA THE BOEING COMPANY 787-8 36227 30/8/2013

QANTAS AIRWAYS
LIMITED
Building QCA/3,
10 Bourke Road
MASCOT
NSW 2020 JETSTAR AIRWAYS PTY LIMITED
Level 4,
222 Bourke Street
MELBOURNE
VIC 3000

[Darryl Schlodder]

Have been told approx 12-13 Oct

[David N]

After the initial domestic service, is there a possibility Jetstar will operate
Mel - Auckland by April 2014?

This sector was to be operated by QF, but has since changed to JQ213
(Booked on this flight as we depart for our Honeymoon to Bora Bora :D)

[Greg Hyde]

Currently making its first flight

http://airchive.com/blog/2013/09/14/photos-jetstar-787-8-makes-first-flight/

[Rowan McKeever]

BOE215 VH-VKA in the air again at Paine Field, B-2 flight (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVKA)

And landed at around 0945 AEST

[Thomas Collins]

As part of the B787 introduction, Jetstar is hosting a "Dream Terminal" in Cairns, Gold Coast, Melbourne and Sydney.

The terminal provides visitors with an authentic Dreamliner experience and includes seat displays, interactive window and giveaways.

Details can be found here (http://www.jetstar.com/mediacentre/latest-announcements).

[Lukas M]

According to AusBT, 7th October it will be delivered and begin its flight home.

[Rowan McKeever]

On 23 Sept (factory time) VKA performed a B-3 and a C-1 flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE215

B-3 is the 3rd Boeing test flight, C-1 is the first time with a JQ crew handling the aircraft!

[Arthur T]

If the delivery date is early October, I just wondering has there been any schedules about the training and domestic flights yet?

Thanks.

[Greg Hyde]

Nothing on the Jetstar site last time I looked.

They are keeping things very quite.

No seat maps as yet.

Expect the big reveal on arrival.

[Thomas Collins]

Details will be released soon.

[Nigel C]

At present there are no domestic bays on T2 at YSSY that can handle the B787, so I don't expect we'll see it here until it starts internatonal ops. Bay 49 is still B747 capable, so that may become an option in future. Alternatively, Bay 13 at T3 is already set up for B787 ops, so perhaps Qantas may come to the party if needed?

[Todd Hendry]

Bay 13 at T3 is already set up for B787 ops, so perhaps Qantas may come to the party if needed?

Let's hope not.

Todd

[Michael Cleary]

What stops a 787 from using another gate?

[Nigel C]

Size (for both length and wing tip clearance for other bays), no stop bar markings on the ground, aerobridge clearance from engines etc, NIG calibration, refuelling hydrant points can also come into play, equipment clearance and storage areas, pedestrian walkways etc.

In essence, the CADD department need to make sure they can meet all the required standards for use on any particular bay (this process gets done for all aircraft on all bays), and if restrictions are needed for that or adjacent bays, then they will be spelt out in the apron operating procedures.

[Sam D]

Will Jetstar introduce any new routes with the 787? If so, where? If not, what current routes are they gonna increase capacity?
Or will Qantas be the ones making the new routes. Im aware all Jetstar A332's are going to Qantas once all the 787s are delivered, which hints what destinations will receive the 787. Yet again, will these A332's off to Qantas supply new routes?

[Max C]

It's been said that the B787's will replace the JQ A332's which, when sent to QF will replace the B763's.

I'd imagine that wherever the JQ A332's go now, the B787's will go in the future. Any route expansion will probably not happen until the A332 fleet has been replaced.

Only 10 A332's and 5 738's to replace 16 B763's means there won't be much, if any new flights anytime soon.

[Mark B]

Only 10 A332's and 5 738's to replace 16 B763's means there won't be much, if any new flights anytime soon.

There's a few 717s as well :D

[Max C]

Yep, and they're replacing the last 5 734's.

Currently net fleet growth is pretty much zilch.

Not to mention the upcoming 744 retirements and the fact that once the A330's go in for their cabin refurb, they'll be at least 1 frame short for a year or so.

[Steve S... 2]

There are 8 x 737-800's to come.

VH-XZI to VH-XZP.

[Ash W]

There's a few 717s as well :D

That are essentially replacing the remaining 734's.

So really no new capacity at Qantas domestic, just JQ A330s's and new 738's to replace 763 and the 717's will see the end of the 734's.

[Greg Hyde]

From a reliable source, he first three 787's will be:

Boeing B787-8 VH-VKA 36227
Boeing B787-8 VH-VKB 36228
Boeing B787-8 VH-VKD 36229

VKC is already allocated to a glider

[Grahame Hutchison]

VH-VKA (http://www.16right.com/RegoNoSearch.php?RegNo=VH-VKA+&submit=Search) is already on the Australian Register

[Thomas Collins]

TOT occured last week. See arrives next week.

[Greg Hyde]

Thomas,

Sorry for my ignorance but what does TOT stand for ?

Grahame,

I posted the rego details for VKA on 05-09 (Page 2 to this thread)

[Greg Hyde]

Just found on Jetstar site and not sure how long its been online

http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/Dreamliner#/intro

Walkthru looks cool

[Kelvin R]

Do the economy seats on the 787 recline, or are they fixed? The video only shows recline in star class.

[Stephen Brown]

No doubt Jetstar will find a way to take a nice new beautiful plane and make you feel uncomfortable while flying.

[Oliver Gigacz]

Any word on when Domestic flights will begin?

[Brian Hoy]

From the Paine Field blog "http://kpae.blogspot.com.au/" a photo with text claiming it was on the start of its delivery flight as jst01 at 2353 zulu.

[MarkR]

Due in Wednesday to Melbourne at 1.05PM

http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-s-first-boeing-787-dreamliner-touches-down-next-wednesday?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

[Thomas Collins]

Greg - TOT means Title of Transfer. Jetstar now owns the aircraft.

I will share pictures of the delivery flight when able.

Yes Kelvin - the economy seats do recline. They are comfortable.

[Greg Hyde]

thanks Thomas,

Good luck on delv.

[Arthur T]

Jetstar to fly Dreamliners

AAP

Budget carrier Jetstar will fly its new high-tech Dreamliner aircraft from Melbourne to the Gold Coast, starting in November.

Qantas and Jetstar chief executives Alan Joyce and Jayne Hrdlicka have toured Boeing's factory in Seattle, as the group prepares to take delivery of its first Dreamliner in Melbourne on Wednesday.

Ahead of the maiden flight to Australia, Jetstar has announced that tickets for the first Boeing 787 Dreamliner flight would soon go on sale for travel between Melbourne and the Gold Coast on November 13.

But this is subject to approval from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, which is required for all new aircraft types.

Dreamliner services will also operate between Melbourne and Cairns before international services are launched towards the end of 2013.

Qantas has ordered 14 Dreamliners, which will gradually replace Jetstar's Airbus A330 aircraft which fly to long-haul destinations like Honolulu, Phuket, Bali and Tokyo.

The A330s then will be moved into the Qantas mainline fleet, as part of a plan to retire ageing and less fuel efficient Boeing 767s by mid-2015.

Qantas also has options for 50 Boeing 787s from calendar 2016.

During the factory floor tour, Mr Joyce addressed reliability concerns about the Dreamliner.

"The 787, like any new aircraft, has had a number of teething problems with its introduction but it's actually had a smoother introduction than the 777 which is the last large aircraft that Boeing introduced," he said.

Last month, budget airline Norwegian Air Shuttle demanded Boeing take back a Dreamliner and fix a faulty hydraulic pump after only 30 days in service.

"It's important to distinguish reliability from safety. Sometimes in people's minds they can be really concerned," Mr Joyce said.

"Reliability in new aircraft takes a while to get up there. It's not a safety issue.

"We're very comfortable this is an extremely safe aircraft."

Boeing 787 vice president and general manager Larry Loftis said the ambition to build the most technologically advanced aircraft in five decades had been a logistical challenge since production began in 2007.

"From a reliability standpoint ... we're working to make sure the airplane continually improves and becomes more and more reliable," he told reporters.

"We put a lot of new technology in this aircraft and over-estimated the ability to bring this new technology to market in the time frame which we committed."

The Dreamliner is 20 per cent more fuel efficient than comparable wide-bodied aircraft with about 300 seats.

It uses carbon fibre composite graphite instead of traditional aluminium.

But 50 Dreamliner jets were grounded globally in January when lithium-ion batteries caught fire on two Japanese airlines.

They returned to the skies in April but an emergency transmitter on a Boeing 787 caught fire at London's Heathrow airport in July on an Ethiopian Airlines plane.

Mr Joyce said the lighter Dreamliners would reduce fuel costs in the Qantas group, and help enable the airline to have an even younger fleet than Singapore Airlines "in the next couple of years which we haven't seen in a long time".

Source: http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-business/jetstar-to-fly-dreamliners-20131008-2v4pv.html

So maiden passenger service will be MEL - OOL, followed by MEL - CNS.

Really sad as no SYD service is planned yet and it simply means Qantas is once again missing the big smoke where the most able passengers are at. :(

[Oliver Gigacz]

Any word on which of the 6x daily MEL-OOL will see the 788?

[David C]

Seen on FR24 , JST7878 is about 150NM SW of Seattle and in the cruise at FL400 at this time ..

Dave C

[james baker]

Interestingly, there is a number of flights MEL-OOL on 15/11 (for example) which show an aircraft type of A320 while at least two flights that day that show no aircraft type. Perhaps 'not yet confirmed' but shows a window of likelihood???


James

[Arthur T]

Interestingly, there is a number of flights MEL-OOL on 15/11 (for example) which show an aircraft type of A320 while at least two flights that day that show no aircraft type. Perhaps 'not yet confirmed' but shows a window of likelihood???


James

It is realistic that they are deploying B788s on multiple flights on one route to ensure reliability.

[Oliver Gigacz]

Interestingly, there is a number of flights MEL-OOL on 15/11 (for example) which show an aircraft type of A320 while at least two flights that day that show no aircraft type. Perhaps 'not yet confirmed' but shows a window of likelihood???


James

The services that show no aircraft type are operated by A321s, has been like this since they changed to the current format.

[Thomas Collins]

The B787 was fantastic. Great arrival into Honolulu. Looks great on the flight line. Very polished.

[Stefan Perkas]

Evening all.

Jetstar B787 VH-VKA (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVKA) is scheduled to depart Honolulu to Melbourne in just over 2 hours. Currently scheduled to arrive into Melbourne at 1240.

[Brock Little]

First international route for the Dreamliners is MEL-DPS from Dec 18.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/what-it8217s-like-to-fly-on-the-jetstar-boeing-787-dreamliner/story-fn6yjmoc-1226734920945
Jetstar CEO Jayne Hrdlicka, who was also on the historic delivery flight after signing the papers at the delivery ceremony, announced that Bali would be the 787s first overseas destination.
"I'm delighted to announce that our first scheduled international service will depart Melbourne to Bali, one of our most popular destinations, with the 787 operating a daily service over the summer period,'' she said.
"Many families will be taking a well-earned holiday in Bali this summer and will have the opportunity to fly on this amazing aircraft, and I can say from experience that flying on the 787 is a destination in itself.
"Tickets are now on sale for our first 787 flight to Bali on December 18 and we expect to add more destinations including Japan, Hawaii and Singapore to the schedule as we receive more aircraft.''

[Oliver Gigacz]

MEL-OOL-MEL and MEL-CNS-MEL fares are now on sale, starting from the 13th Nov...

http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/dreamliner/routes

Just booked my ticket on the first flight :D

[Max C]

I see they're only selling Economy class on these flights, but if you choose your own seats and pay $24 more, you can select a StarClass seat.

Seems like a pretty cheap way to sample the 'hard product'

[Brian Noldt]

Now on FR24 off the coast adjacent to Port Macquarie at 40,000 ft

Brian.

[Grahame Hutchison]

I am lodging a claim for the first ADS-B reception of an Australian registered B787 Dreamliner, based on the data below,
and tracked for just under one hour.

I didn't see any pick by the Brisbane ADSB team, but happy to be corrected.

Looks like they will track via Wollongong. Hopefully we will see plenty of images of the touchdown in Melbourne.

From: http://adsb.16right.com/

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Jetstar 787 01.JPG

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Jetstar 787 02.JPG

[Kurt A]

Yep, and there she went. Eye-balled as nothing more than a tiny dot in the sky. As seen from Sydney about 20nm away at FL400.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/yssy_moderator/YSSY%20Stuff/_MG_1447_zps3f52db42.jpg

[Grahame Hutchison]

Nice catch Kurt, I had a quick look outside, but just a bit too far to the east from my location - a nice contrail would have helped.

First photograph from Australian soil ?

[David Heath]

I had an error when I selected a Star Class seat as an extra legroom $24 seat. Hmm

[Max C]

I was able to go all the way through to the payment screen?

[JamesP]

Took a few shots of JST7878 on finals:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2817/10164689264_7a8387333e_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/j_pang/10164689264/)
20131009 - 005 Jetstar Boeing 787 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/j_pang/10164689264/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5455/10164931063_953182aa92_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/j_pang/10164931063/)
20131009 - 007 Jetstar Boeing 787 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/j_pang/10164931063/)

[Stefan Perkas]

Afternoon all,

Jetstar Airways starting 13NOV13 is launching Boeing 787 operation, initially operating domestic service for one-month only. Planned Boeing 787 operation from 13NOV13 to 16DEC13 as follow.

Melbourne – Gold Coast
13NOV13
JQ432 MEL1100 – 1205OOL 787 3
JQ435 OOL1530 – 1845MEL 787 3

From 15NOV13 to 16DEC13, Boeing 787 operates JQ444/447 on daily basis, except selected dates
JQ444 MEL1510 – 1615OOL 788
JQ447 OOL1715 – 2030MEL 788

Melbourne – Cairns 14NOV13 – 16DEC13 1 daily
JQ944 MEL0600 – 0820CNS 788

http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/09/jq-787-nov13/

[Grahame Hutchison]

Definitely the best looking aircraft in Jetstar livery - thanks for the pics James.

[Julian L]

Just Booked my seat on JQ's first 787 flight.

The price escalated quite quickly since the launch, went from $130 to $169.
But thanks to 'Jetstar's Price Promise', I snagged a seat for just $85.

Looking forward to it.

[Oliver Gigacz]

I see that the return flight on the 13th is up to $429. Can't see many seats sold though.

[Lukas M]

Price beat it against Virgin. Virgin are $109 so Jetstar will do $98.10

Same on the way up, Tiger are $84.95 and Jetstar did $76.45 for me.

[Anthony F]

I wish I remembered about the price guarantee yesterday as I could of got the return flight home on the 787 from OOL to MEL. I am now booked on the A320 because the flight was so expensive to come back to Melbourne and Jetstar do not allow changes to bookings.

[Anthony F]

The 787 return flight from OOL has been taken off the booking schedule for the 13th November. Unable to see the returning flight today which was sheduled for 15.30.

[Oliver Gigacz]

Looks like its sold out on the return then.

[Jamie D]

Got my seats on the first flight for 85 thanks to their guarantee

[Oliver Gigacz]

Users on another forum are claiming that Jetstar has pulled the flight from online booking, because too many people are using the "Price Beat option.

[Ben C]

I'm not able to go the first week of operations but I am hoping to go on the second week and try out starclass.

[Chris H]

Long time lurker, decided to join.

A mate got up close upon delivery.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1209196_10151920146221203_1084726222_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1381885_10151920145211203_2103504488_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1391643_10151920145516203_566727845_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1384332_10151920145751203_480672189_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1374801_10151920145986203_80800845_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1378466_10151920146106203_1582804746_n.jpg

[Thomas Collins]

Jetstar stopped using the name "Star Class" for its premium cabin in 2011.

It is now called Business Class...

[Trevor Sinclair]

So today's flaunted display flight from MEL-OOL-MEL was cancelled. Now this, I hope none of you were booked on the inaugural revenue flight meant for 13 November MEL-CNS has now been pushed back to 14 November. The November 13 flight will now be operated with an A320.

[Oliver Gigacz]

So today's flaunted display flight from MEL-OOL-MEL was cancelled. Now this, I hope none of you were booked on the inaugural revenue flight meant for 13 November MEL-CNS has now been pushed back to 14 November. The November 13 flight will now be operated with an A320.

According to the JQ website Nov 13 flight to OOL is still a Dreamliner service, no Dreamliner service to OOL on Nov 14.

[Oliver Gigacz]

Right looks like the wires were crossed.

Earlier today Jetstar posted on their FaceBook page today that Dreamliner flights will begin on Nov 14th.

They have since confirmed on Twitter that this is wrong and that the JQ432 on Nov 13 is still scheduled to fly..

https://twitter.com/JetstarAirways/status/388560474872500224

[Trevor Sinclair]

Oliver Gigacz- My post referred to MEL-CNS November 14, not MEL-OOL.

[Oliver Gigacz]

There was never going to be a CNS flight on the 13th? CNS flights were always going to begin on the 14th...

Melbourne – Cairns 14NOV13 – 16DEC13 1 daily
JQ944 MEL0600 – 0820CNS 788 D
JQ947 CNS0920 – 1340MEL 788 D

[Trevor Sinclair]

There was never going to be a CNS flight on the 13th? CNS flights were always going to begin on the 13th...

Firstly, your post makes no sense Oliver. (read it above)

Secondly, how could I have been invited to cover the first revenue flight on November 13 if it didn't exist?

[Oliver Gigacz]

Firstly, your post makes no sense Oliver. (read it above)

Secondly, how could I have been invited to cover the first revenue flight on November 13 if it didn't exist?

From the very beginning the inaugural flight has been MEL-OOL-MEL on November 13th.

JQ432 (MEL-OOL)
DEP: 11:00
ARR: 12:05

JQ435 (OOL-MEL)
DEP: 15:30
ARR: 18:45

CNS flights have always been scheduled to start on November 14th.

[Thomas Collins]

Delivery video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vitplTp42rA&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLfBE62v76aaPfs9XEIIhIXhp4xaIywfNY)

Arrival video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UN6ayjLOgc)

[Oliver Gigacz]

Looks like there are a few flights scheduled for today...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVKA

[Oliver Gigacz]

One flight already completed today...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVKA/history/20131011/2300Z/YMML/YMML

Her second flight has just taken off...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVKA/history/20131012/0200Z/YMML/YMML

[Grant G]

There seems to be some issues that CASA isn't allowing it to fly anywhere or its getting classification to fly.

Was due to fly to the Gold Coast on Friday this week, but that never happened. There is talk this subject to CASA will happen on Tuesday this week.

[Oliver Gigacz]

VKA has flown twice since arriving on Wednesday, but she has not left the state.

If it's only a few days delay, I can't see that harming the flight schedule for Nov 13 onwards.

[Grant G]

Pencilled in for a flight leaving MEL to OOL tomorrow, will see if it takes off.

[Chris Z]

ETA OOL 3.15pm today. On ground for 3 hours before departing at 6.30pm.

[Trevor Sinclair]

Hope we have some OOL spotters out in 15 minutes!

[Thomas Collins]

Currently on the ground in Cairns today.

[Jarden S]

Thomas, what time will it depart as I will head out to watch it.

[Thomas Collins]

Long gone I am afraid. But it is enroute to Gold Coast currently.

[Jarden S]

I will wait till the 26th then and get to the airport early!

[Rowan McKeever]

Jarden if you're in CNS it looks like VKA is scheduled to fly to you this afternoon.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVKA

[Tim Bowrey]

VH-VKA arrives in Sydney at 2100(18/10) from OOL as JST1614 then will depart on the 19th to Melbourne as JQ1615 at 1700 apparently, according to SACL, from Gate 58 at T2.

[Nigel C]

According to this it's arriving at T1 http://www.sydneyairport.com.au/flights/flight-arrivals-and-departures/airport-visit-planner/sydney/jq1614/0

And it's departing off Bay 33 at T1 http://www.sydneyairport.com.au/flights/flight-arrivals-and-departures/airport-visit-planner/melbourne/jq1615/1

Bay 58 at T2 can't handle a B787....it only just squeezes an A320 on it in terms of length.

[NathanJ]

No matter where they decide to put the thing, it'll be great to see it in Sydney.

The future is here and it's amazing!

[James S.]

What a great future of technical problems that awaits us. No excitement factor for me until they actually manage to iron out the problems and have an acceptable dispatch rate. I'm not one to care too much about those fancy flexing wings or the great big windows.

Besides they're too quiet anyway! :mad: Crap from a spotters perspective, they'll be boring after a few months.

[Grahame Hutchison]

VH-VKA is on final for Runway 34L as JST1614 from the Gold Coast - is this the first visit to Sydney ?

Cleared to land Runway 34L and vacate of Foxtrot.

2056L Touchdown.

On ADS-B VHA appeared to vacate left on Foxtrot for the International Terminal - are there no B787-8 Gates at Jetstar Domestic ?

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: .VH-VKA
Message label: H1 Block id: 0 Msg. no: F22A
Flight id: JQ1614
Message content:-
#M1BPRG/TS093810,101813/DTYSSY,34L,319,095810,045/FNJST161426A6
-------------------------------------[18/10/2013 20:38]

[Nigel C]

No B787 Bays at T2 yet. Only Bay 13 T3, Bay 93A and stand-off bays at Dom-6 on the domestic side.

[JamesL]

Its also because the 787 ground handler is based out of the ITB. It's their opportunity to familiarise themselves with it.

[Rowan McKeever]

JQ 787s will be operating international services ex SYD so what would be the point of famil/proving runs at the domestic terminal. That wouldn't simulate the in-service operation.

[D Chan]

The 787 is here for an open day tomorrow for Qantas Group employees.
There will also be QantasLink B717 arriving tomorrow morning in Sydney

[SteveR]

Saw it get towed around on thursday at melbourne, lots of ground crew around having a look. Its bulkier in the body than iwas expecting, not sure why i thought it would be smaller than it is but it was nice and shiny ! Ill try and attach a couple of photos, first attempt see how we go !!

[SteveR]

And sorry if they are sideways !

[SteveR]

being towed

[David N]

Hi

I have a mate that is keen to be on the first Pax service to Cooly.
The schedule shows Wednesday 13th 11 am Departure out of Melbourne
(JQ432) and returning as JQ435 at 1530.

Is this correct?
Will -VKA have a 3hr 25 turn around or head somewhere else before doing
JQ435?

[Ian Gains]

David, that is correct according to the Jetstar website. It isn't going anywhere between the two flights you mentioned. On Friday last week, there were still plenty of seats on the MEL-OOL leg for $149.

[Oliver Gigacz]

Remember Jetstar has a price beat.

[David N]

Thanks Ian

That's a long lay over for a new toy :D

[Ian Gains]

I believe that this return flight to OOL is VKA's only scheduled work on the 13th, so JQ may be using the longer time on the ground at OOL for further staff training etc.
Thanks Oliver. I heard that JQ had stopped the price beat on the 787 flights but I'm unsure of this.
Does anyone know why the return flight to MEL was so expensively priced on the 13th ?

[Oliver Gigacz]

A friend of mine used the price beat on the return flight a few days ago.

[Trent Hopkinson]

I also noticed the return flight from OOL was well up past $400.

The next day's flight to Cairns was $179 when I purchased it. I upgraded to Biz class for $26 extra, and used the POLi payment method to avoid credit card fees.

I'm not flying the return on the 787, because I wanna try this "spotting from up a mountain" thing at Cairns, and watch the 787 actually take off, so I'll be returning later that day.

[Greg Hyde]

Not the 1st one but:

ADD VKB THE BOEING COMPANY 787-8 36228 15/10/2013 QANTAS AIRWAYS
LIMITED
Building QCA/3,
10 Bourke Road
MASCOT
NSW 2020 JETSTAR AIRWAYS PTY LIMITED
Level 4,
222 Bourke Street
MELBOURNE
VIC 3000

[Greg Hyde]

Next one

DD VKD THE BOEING COMPANY 787-8 36229 24/10/2013 QANTAS AIRWAYS LIMITED
Building QCA/3,
10 Bourke Road
MASCOT
NSW 2020 JETSTAR AIRWAYS PTY LIMITED
Level 4,
222 Bourke Street
MELBOURNE
VIC 3000

[Ash W]

I always find it interesting to see who is listed as the aircraft owner. Now I know it is all about how their finance is structured, but with most Qantas/Jetstar a/c they are owned by leasing companies clearly owned by Qantas, sometimes Qantas direct and other times real leasing companies or offshore shelf companies. VKA being a case in point as it is listed as owned by a Japanese company calledSL JURA CO. LTD.

[Karl M]

You guys on the first flights will be in for a real treat! I was on the proving flights over the last 2 days, out beat my expectations.

[Greg Hyde]

They normally switch to leasing companies after they are delivered.

VA does the same.

[Greg Hyde]

Does anyone know why VKA diverted to the Gold Coast from Melbourne on the 30/10 ?

[Karl M]

Just part of the proving flights (training exercise)

[Stuart Trevena]

Hi All,

Whats the story with the plastic Fantastic, as I haven't seen it planefinder for awhile, and according to Qantas source (Jetstar Section) it hasn't logged any movements since 26/10 when it ops Cairns - Melb as JQ1626.

Stuart

[Thomas Collins]

Going through final preparations for entry-into-service. First commercial flight is less than two weeks.

[Paul F]

Going through final preparations for entry-into-service. First commercial flight is less than two weeks.Rumour to have engine mount issues.

[Oliver Gigacz]

First flight still scheduled for November 13th?

[Adam.S]

Is it known if the airline is planning any mementos for passengers on either of the first flights on November 13, or will fanfare be quite minimal? Just a water canon salute perhaps?

[Brian Wilkes]

Rumour to have engine mount issues.

And others Paul which I can't say over the net/forums, talk to ya next time I see ya!

[Oliver Gigacz]

So what are the chances that it will make it's first flight on November 13th?

[Karl M]

Doing a test flight this afternoon as JQ1624 MEL-OOL-SYD-MEL

[Greg Hyde]

Any idea when VKB is due for it's first flight ?

[Nigel C]

The engine mounts must have held up alright. ;)

It arrived and departed today from the international terminal.

[Anthony F]

It flew over my house in Melbourne yesterday around 6pm. I am booked on the first flight next Wednesday to OOL.

[Greg McDonald]

Likewise ^

[Brock Little]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel/travel-advice/jetstars-boeing-787-dreamliner-gets-allclear-for-takeoff/story-fnjjv797-1226754804937

Has just gained CASA approval.

[Greg Hyde]

if we get bored with the 1st one

Wednesday, 6 November 2013
N1015X (VH-VKB) Jetstar First Flight
L/N 134 C/N 36228 B787-8 N1015X (VH-VKB) JETSTAR
Dep PAE 11:16 PST Arr PAE ??:?? PST
Call Sign BOE216 Hex Code A00B88

[Jamie D]

Awesome news JQ, can't wait for Wednesday, seems to be a few jetspotters on it, we should all meet up before, be nice to meet a few forum goers!

[Oliver Gigacz]

Great news! Will be on both flights on Wednesday, one in Economy and one in Business. Can't wait.

[Grahame Hutchison]

Looking forward to Wednesday so I can add VH-VKA to ZA001 and ZA003.

[Shaal L]

caught a glimpse of it today at yssy . left shortly after 2.30pm as JQ1619 for melbourne

[Bernie P]

Today's departure... Pity about the smoke from the fires at Nth Epping!

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5527/10739115456_980396c724_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/berniep/10739115456/)
VH-VKA JQ B788 34L YSSY-2885 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/berniep/10739115456/) by A u s s i e P o m m (http://www.flickr.com/people/berniep/), on Flickr

[Oliver Gigacz]

Just received two emails from Jetstar (one for each flight) providing flight information and media details for the inaugural flights on Wednesday.

[Ian Gains]

Good. Does this mean that you will stop panicking now ? :) :p :)

[Thomas Collins]

She has one last training flight today (to Cairns) prior to Wednesday. Just departed.

For those of you who are travelling on the inaugural - there are some fun activities planned.

[Brock Little]

Excellent :)

[Grahame Hutchison]

1040L Tracking 004 degrees southwest of Cobar at 485kts and FL430

[Oliver Gigacz]

She has one last training flight today (to Cairns) prior to Wednesday. Just departed.

For those of you who are travelling on the inaugural - there are some fun activities planned.

Can you elaborate?

[Thomas Collins]

Now that would spoil it Oliver… Have fun.

[David Heath]

Looking forward to Wednesday! The wait has gone by quickly :)

[Grant G]

It just flew into the Gold Coast about an hour ago.

JST1624 MEL-OOL

Scheduled to leave at 12.40 EST back to MEL as JST1623

[Grahame Hutchison]

1351L Overhead Nimbin tracking 217 degrees and climbing through FL200 at 394kts

1412L Just moved over to our ADS-B receiver west of Armidale (T-YSSY5 on FR24).

[David Knudsen]

Here she is coming into Cooly today with a bit of condensation coming off the wings - shot about 2500ft above Kingscliff.

[David Heath]

That's a lovely pic, David.

[Oliver Gigacz]

Checked in, and currently sitting down at Gate 21. Media starting to arrive.

[Oliver Gigacz]

Looks like all passengers will be getting a little ruck sack with a certificate and various other items. A couple of staff were going through a couple of them.

http://twitter.com/OliverGigacz/status/400398539869519872/photo/1

[Shaal L]

enjoy the trip and experience

[David Heath]

That was a great flight. The cabin was lovely. We got a free lunch etc. I found the seats quite comfortable for 9 across. The level of recline at fully upright position was good too, I felt no need to recline back, like I do in a 737 etc. The only issue was I couldn't find the map on the IFE, however I found the Flightpath button after we landed. I'd searched everywhere. Strange. Also, the cabin pressure and humidity was noticeable. No dry mouth, my feet didn't swell up ( I know, it was a short flight but I do get those issues sometimes). It'll be fantastic for long haul.

[Grahame Hutchison]

A really great flight on the Dreamliner, cruising at FL410 from Melbourne to the Gold Coast. The first impression as you walk into the cabin is one of space and light. The mood lighting, coupled with the very large windows and sculptured overhead luggage bins brings a very spacious feel.

The economy seat was what you would expect with this density of seating, but still comfortable. The seat back IFE was very good, plenty of movies and TV programs to watch, the Flight Path tracking was excellent and used a satellite style map. I think that the improved cabin air freshness, humidity, and lower pressure, are all noticeable.

The Jetstar cabin crew and other staff were very helpful and friendly, they supplied a lunch box containing a sandwich, cake and water. Plenty of media on board filming all over the aircraft, and interviewing passengers.

Towards the end of the flight they drew three seat numbers out of a bag, and the lucky passengers received a $500 Jetstar travel voucher.

There was applause on landing and the aircraft taxied to the northern end of the terminal, and passengers used the forward stairs, with a short walk across the Tarmac. This was perfect and allowed close up photographs of the aircraft. Before I left the aircraft, I visited the flight deck for a couple of photos, and also got the Captain to sign my Jetstar "Congratulations Certificate".

This is a great aircraft, and I think passengers will just love it.

Well done Jetstar and Boeing.

Photographs when I get home this evening.

[Oliver Gigacz]

It was a really great flight, you really do notice improved humidity and cabin pressure. Now waiting for the return leg. Will have a full trip report up later tonight.

[Sarah C]

David, the flight map was under something called Voyager.... In the purple section. Not noticeable unless you selected it

[Grahame Hutchison]

Images from today's first Dreamliner flight in Australia by Jetstar VH-VKA.

B787 VH-VKA ready at Gate for the excited passengers - wet tinted terminal windows do not help.

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-001.jpg

Quite unique cockpoit windows and nose.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-002.jpg

Some catering for the flight being loaded.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-004.jpg

An impressive looking aircraft.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-005.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-007.jpg

Decorations at the gate where Jetstar and Boeing made their short speeches. Jetstar CEO Jayne Hrdlicka greeted all the passengers onboard.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-009.jpg

Massive overhead luggage bins.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-010.jpg

IFE screen size and content was good.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-011.jpg

The seats were quite comfortable, even in the fully upright position.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-012.jpg

The forward economy cabin.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-013.jpg

Blue mood lighting along the ceiling, and red along the window line.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-014.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-015.jpg

A well fitted economy seat, IFE, USB etc.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-016.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-017.jpg

The rear economy cabin.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-019.jpg

[Grahame Hutchison]

The rear galley.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-021.jpg

Two cabin windows partly tinted.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-023.jpg

Forward galley between Premium Economy and Forward Economy cabin.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-024.jpg

The engine chevrons and beautifully sculptured wing.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-025.jpg

Wing leading edge and raked wing tip.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-027.jpg

The wing trailing edge cruising at 41,000ft.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-028.jpg

In the flightdeck and the Captain signs my Jetstar "Congratulations Certificate"
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-029.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-030.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-035.jpg

Jetstar crew photographed by the Jetstar photographer.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-036.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-037.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-039.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-040.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-041.jpg

[Grahame Hutchison]

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-042.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-043.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-044.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-045.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-046.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-047.jpg

Notice the unusual markings around the right cockpit window, this was not so evident on the port side.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-048.jpg

Attaching the tow bar ready for the return flight to Melbourne.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-049.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-050.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-052.jpg

Gate 9 at the Gold Coast ready to go for the return service to Melbourne.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-055.jpg

The Jetstar gift bag.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-056.jpg

Contents of the Jetstar gift bag - First Flight "Congratulations Certificate" signed by the Captain.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/D300-20131113-060.jpg

B787 Dreamliner "Safety On Board" card.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/iPhone_0427.jpg

The free Jetstar lunch box.
http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/iPhone_0429.jpg

[Grahame Hutchison]

Photographs on previous page.

Flying back to Sydney on JQ413 operated by Airbus A320 VH-VGY, the onboard experience was an amazing contrast. The cabin seemed very confined, like a cigar tube with small punched windows, and the overhead lockers stretched out almost two and a half seat widths. I could only see out my small window, and the one on the opposite side of the row. By contrast, even sitting in an aisle seat, I felt like I had a window seat, and looking around I could see out many windows on both side of the cabin - this is a major plus for the Dreamliner. When the sun is beaming in on current aircraft, you generally just have to close the window, but on the Dreamliner you have five tint positions, just like wearing sun glasses when set in the middle settings.

The Dreamliner is definitely going to be a big hit with passengers, and a little challenging for airlines without the Dreamliner - a great cabin experience for passengers and 20% less fuel burn from an operational point of view.

What a busy day, three flights, three States, two airlines, and of course the B787 DREAMLINER.

[Anthony F]

Excellent review and pics Grahame. I enjoyed my flight today to from Melbourne I just got home on JQ 439 Operated by A320 VH-VFJ and you could see the difference. I had an aisle seat and could hardly see out the windows. On the 787 I was able to video from my 34B seat.

I agree it will be a hit with travellers but the Jetstar aircraft have too many seats in them.

[David Heath]

That was a great idea re the certificate signing.

One thing about the PaxEx I'll struggle with on "regular" planes is the tiny windows. It was great to be able to look up more and also see ahead a bit from the seats in front. Great view.

[Greg McDonald]

Grahame, it looks like you and I were on the same 3 flights today! :)

[Grahame Hutchison]

Would that be QF415, JQ432 and JQ413 Greg ?

This was the view out of Sydney this morning.

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/IXUS860-20131113-002.jpg

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/Dreamliner 1ST Flight/IXUS860-20131113-003.jpg

[Greg McDonald]

Would that be QF415, JQ432 and JQ413 Greg ?

Woops...missed by one! I was on JQ501, JQ432 and JQ413. Good day!

[Oliver Gigacz]

My trip report...

http://yssyforum.net/board/showthread.php?p=86004

[Rowan McKeever]

This was the view out of Sydney this morning.

Was that a 07 departure Grahame, or a really tight turn off 34R? Doesn't look like the MARUB?

[Grahame Hutchison]

A right turn off 34R Rowan.

I have never been on that side of the aircraft for this departure before with a camera at the ready - the second image is an interesting view of the airport. The pilot announced that we would make the right turn at 500ft and track out to sea for 30km, presumably to assure passengers that this was normal procedure.

Dreamliner First Flight Photographs (http://yssyforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=9402&page=17)

[Rowan McKeever]

Hmm OK... that's MARUB! Awesome pics in any case :) Thanks Grahame!

[Grahame Hutchison]

From FlightAware ...

DCT WOL H65 RAZZI Q29 ML

Runway 34R MARUB 4 (JET) (http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/current/dap/SSYDP08-137.pdf)

[James Smith]

On the first of Grahame's photos of his departure from runway 34R it looks as though the aircraft (767?) is heading south, which it is, but in the second photo the right turn is reducing as the pilot is about to intercept the 075 radial to turn left and track east out to sea towards Marub. The track east out to sea is to allow the plane to climb above arriving traffic approaching runways 34L & R from the south.

As a side issue, the photo showing Botany Bay and the Kurnell peninsula begs the question as to why jet aircraft are not allowed to depart from 16R from 11:00 pm to 6:00 am. I can't see many houses under the flightpath and what few there are have double glazing, insulation and other noise reduction methods installed thanks to yours and my taxes.

[Cliff Cook]

To Graham Hutchison,

It was much pleasure to read your trip report and the photos of Jetstar B787-8 aircraft and it is so much appreciated. Thanks for sharing and I will send my private email to you soon.

Regards,

Cliff Cook.

[Grahame Hutchison]

Exactly right James, except for your typo. QF B767 VH-OGO off Runway 34R not 34L.

You can see the slight left turn to correct for MARUB.

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/FlightAware 20131114.JPG

[Julian L]

Was a great flight.

Jetstar have video clips from the flight along with the media videos as well. Try and find yourself. I managed to get into all three media videos.

From the JQ Facebook page:

Check out the highlights video from our first 787 Dreamliner flight departing from Melbourne to the Gold Coast:
http://bit.ly/1ctKWyX

And in the news on Channel 7, 9 and 10:
http://bit.ly/HPpACE
http://bit.ly/1aH3Iju
http://bit.ly/19opzw1

[Grahame Hutchison]

I managed to get in the Jetstar video plus CH7 and CH9.

[Ben C]

Have the 787 flights been using aerobridges at MEL?

[Brock Little]

The inaugural did for OOL at least, as did the first CNS flight the following morning.

[Julian L]

They connected the aerobridges to door L2. Overhead someone say its because its too risky to connect it to L1 as there are sensors there.

[Grahame Hutchison]

I was impressed with the Dreamliner's climbout performance on the "First Flight" from Melbourne to the Gold Coast, so I tracked it out of Melbourne this afternoon on FlightRadar24.

From liftoff, it climbed straight to FL410 in just 20 minutes and 145nm from Tullamarine - this was overhead Walbundrie in southwest New South Wales. At the final stages of the climb it was climbing at 1,500 fpm, but overall at 2,050 fpm.

[Grant G]

Could be something wrong with 787.

Delayed this morning to Cairns. Still hasn't left from Mel as JQ444 to the Gold Coast.
Would normally leave Mel at 3.40pm and arrive OOL at 4.20pm local time.

It hasn't even left MEL yet.

Anyone know ??

[Grant G]

Its on its way now. Due to arrive OOL at 6.20pm local time.

[Oliver Gigacz]

Departed for OOL at 17:49 local time.

[Greg Hyde]

Any updates on whether VKB (only flown once) & VKD (not flown yet) will arrive by the end of this year ? (as advertised)

[Oliver Gigacz]

I have heard on the grapevine that delivery of VKB and VKD have been pushed back to January.

[Brian Wilkes]

JQ will not take delivery of them until certain 787 issues are fixed. VKA had all sorts of problems that where found once it got to OZ!

[Thomas Collins]

VKB is on schedule to deliver in December and VKD in January.

Brian's information isn't correct.

[Brian Wilkes]

VKB is on schedule to deliver in December and VKD in January.

Brian's information isn't correct.

My info is VERY correct. I dont know when they will be delivered nor do I care but delays due to problems found with the first has had a flow on effect with the 2 to come. I leave it at that for now!

[Thomas Collins]

Are you able to outline what the issues were?

I am still confident VKB will be here in December.

[NathanJ]

Oh my god you'd never believe it's totally true. I just heard Jetstar is scrapping the 787 contract in favour of accepting the 6 remaining a380's that were due to be allocated to qantas mainline. :eek: :cool:

[Brian Noldt]

Good morning,
I was told on the weekend that VKA cannot depart the Gold Coast fully laden and that VKB and VKD are having their engines upgraded.
Brian.

[David C]

Surely it would never need to depart the Gold Coast Airport fully laden would it ? .. Even with legal fuel reserves it would be way under MTOW for OOL to MEL sectors .

Dave C

[Rowan McKeever]

I assume MEL wouldn't be the issue... NRT / KIX are a different kettle of fish

[Greg Hyde]

The FAA has issued an advisory regarding high-level icing with B747-8 & B787 with GE engines.

This may explain the load issues and delay in US.

Also with one operational aircraft, will international flights go ahead on 18/12 ?

[Thomas Collins]

The first flight on the 18th remains unchanged.

VKB will be in Australia on schedule in December.

[Greg Hyde]

thanks Thomas,

Does the icing issues have any impact on the Jetstar a/c ?

[Fred C]

Brian, I too have heard those rumours. I can't imagine VKB & VKD being modified at this late stage though.

http://www.aviationbusiness.com.au/news/b787-headed-for-a-different-role-in-qantas

Greg, the icing issue does affect the 787 with the GE engines.

[Rowan McKeever]

Hey Greg - it's been said (here or another forum, can't remember) that JQ 787s would likely be kept off Japan routes until the icing issue is resolved as the icing is why JL has postponed its 787 intro to SYD

[Greg Hyde]

From Puget Sound:

Thursday, 5 December 2013
VH-VKD B787-8 Jetstar First Flight
L/N 142 C/N 36229 B787-8 VH-VKD JETSTAR
Dep PAE 13:42 PST Arr PAE ??:?? PST via MWH
Call Sign BOE217 Hex Code 7C6BBB

[Brian Noldt]

From: nyc787.blogspot
Under: Current 787 Production List
VH-VKB is listed as "Ready for Delivery"
Brian.

[Brian Noldt]

From Puget Sound:

Thursday, 12 December 2013
VH-VKB B787-8 Jetstar Delivered

L/N 134 C/N 36228 B787-8 VH-VKB JETSTAR
Dep PAE 11:15 PST ETA HNL??? HST
Call Sign JST7878 Hex Code A00B88

[Thomas Collins]

VKB is currently en route to Melbourne direct from Seattle and arrives tonight.

Sorry Brian - seems your source was somewhat incorrect...

[Brian Noldt]

Thomas, that's ok.
I just copied the Puget Sound post that I saw this morning. (Was not there last night)
I did check on Flight Aware using VH-VKB but it did not show it's delivery flight.
Thank's for putting me straight.
Where did you get the information?
Brian.

[Thomas Collins]

Was actually in response to Brian Wilkes, who had "VERY correct" information that the aircraft wasn't coming.

[David C]

It's cruising along at FL390 SW of Hilo at the moment , so at a rough guess I suppose we would be looking at an arrival time of about 2130hrs , give or take a little ..
Dave C

[Brandon Giacomin]

Showing as a 2300 arrival on the melbourne airport site.

[Grahame Hutchison]

Dreamliner VH-VKB is now 127nm to the northeast of Sydney and looks like it may track overhead YSSY.

First Australian ADS-B pickup of VH-VKB was at approx 360nm.

https://twitter.com/16RightADSB

http://adsb.16right.com/?16R_Content=historylog&16R_MODES=7C6BB9

http://www.16right.com/MessageBoard/VHVKB.png

On the iPad with FlightRadar24 Premium

http://www.16Right.com/MessageBoard/VHVKB 02.PNG

[Mark C]

She just flew over me to the South of Canberra. Very distinctive anti collision lights and a very lightning active storm as a backdrop.

[Greg Hyde]

From FlightAware

12/12/2013 B788 Snohomish County (KPAE) Melbourne Tullamarine (YMML / MEL) 11:17AM PST 10:51PM EST (+1) 16:34

Overflew HNL, I expect if weather conditions required a diversion for fuel, is this correct ?

[lloyd fox]

Brian Wilkes is missing in action.!:D

[Paul F]

Brian Wilkes is missing in action.!:DHe has gone to BNE to see a 787,hang on BNE don't get 787,s:D

[lloyd fox]

Paul actually BNE will very soon get the 787-900 on a one off.:D

[Thomas Collins]

Expect VKD in early January.

[Mike W]

Paul actually BNE will very soon get the 787-900 on a one off.:D
787-900?

[lloyd fox]

I think it was originally to be designated a 787-900 but now it is called just a 787-9.

[Brian Noldt]

From: nyc787.blogspot
Under: Current 787 Production List
VH-VKD is listed as "Ready for Delivery"

I don't know if this is correct as it also says that it has only done 3 test flights.

Brian

[Cliff Cook]

Why does rego VH-VKC not accepted?

Regards,

Cliff Cook.

[NathanJ]

VH-VKC is already registered http://www.regosearch.com/aircraft/au/VKC

[Brandon Giacomin]

From http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-s-boeing-787-to-start-melbourne-auckland-flights

Jetstar will run one of its new Boeing 787 Dreamliners between Melbourne and Auckland next year.

However, the trans-Tasman 787 service will run for just one month, from February 26 to March 28, 2014, with seats now on sale.

"While many New Zealanders may not be planning a long-haul trip, this is a great opportunity to try out the aircraft that everyone's talking about, on a Tasman flight" said Jetstar's NZ chief Grant Kerr.

Jetstar's first Boeing 787 will begin international service on the Melbourne-Bali route from tomorrow, Wednesday December 18, after a month-long series of domestic flights between its Melbourne base and the Gold Coast and Cairns.

[Greg Hyde]

Brian,

I don't know if this is the reason but VKB did some it's test flights as N1015X.

VKD may be the same (ie using a Boeing test reg)

[Brian Noldt]

Greg,

I don't know. From the same web site is shows pre delivery test flights:
VH-VKA = 5
VH-VKB = 6
VH-VKD = 4 (was 3 yesterday)

Also VH-VKE has "parts arriving" and has assembly loading as 26/12/13?

Brian.

[Cliff Cook]

Nathan,

Thank you so much for your reply regarding about rego VH-VKC and it was so much appreciated.

Last Tuesday, 10th December, I flew in new Jetstar B787 Dreamliner (VH-VKA) to Gold Coast and back to Melbourne, as it was JQ444 and JQ447. The flight was fantastic and very enjoyed.

Regards,

Cliff Cook.

[Max C]

New routes and the next A330 to B787 upgrades to be announced today.

[Jonathan W]

And the new 787 routes are
Sydney-Bali; 15 Jan
Sydney-Phuket; 3 Feb
Brisbane-Bali; 15 April
http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-launches-boeing-787-flights-for-sydney-brisbane?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

[Greg Hyde]

Greg,

I don't know. From the same web site is shows pre delivery test flights:
VH-VKA = 5
VH-VKB = 6
VH-VKD = 4 (was 3 yesterday)

Also VH-VKE has "parts arriving" and has assembly loading as 26/12/13?

Brian.
Brian,

There are different types of test flights nominally "B" and "C".

I think (but I could be wrong):

B is for Boeing
C is for Customer (Customer acceptance, functionality, training...)

I suppose the number of test flights are based on the number of problems encountered and/or resolved in the previous test. Dependent on weather they can be resolved and ground tested or resolved and air tested.

Greg

[Greg Hyde]

VKA has commenced international ops departing Melbourne at 14:24EST for Bali.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVKA

[Adam.S]

Just to confirm;
Going by the previous message (above), there are no longer any more 787 domestic ops?

VKB and VKC will enter service and work international flights from day 1 of their revenue lives?

[Thomas Collins]

No more domestic operations.

B/C, and all other deliveries straight into international services.

[Brandon Giacomin]

Hopefully we will see the 787s on the current tag on flights the A332s operate. Eg. JQ1 SYD-MEL-HNL, JQ2 HNL-MEL-SYD, JQ15 SYD-CNS-KIX, JQ16 KIX-CNS-SYD, JQ11 SYD-OOL-NRT, JQ12 NRT-OOL-SYD.

Also there still seems to be some confusion. The rego VKC is already taken. So they have skipped to VKD which will arrive in the new year.

[Paul F]

VH-VKB was moved from hanger today in MEL and parked on the freight ramp.

[Adam.S]

Thanks for the confirmation.
Cheers.

[Dennis McLean]

Does anyone know why VKB went to Cairns on 31 December and is still there???

[Greg Hyde]

JetStarSource:

JetStar B787-8 VH-VKB Cairns Test Flight.
31/12/2013
JetStar Boeing 787-8 VH-VKB made a Melbourne – Cairns test flight as JQ7993 this morning. This was the aircraft’s first flight since arriving in Australia on 13th December.

Flightaware shows no return flight.

[Dave Parer]

This was in the Cairns Post on the weekend. It seems like it will be in Cairns for a few weeks -

http://www.cairnspost.com.au/business/jetstar-dreamliner-parked-at-cairns-airport-as-it-undergoes-certification/story-fnjpusdv-1226794622728

[Brandon Giacomin]

Jetstar Boeing 787-8 VH-VKD is on its delivery flight. Due into MEL at 0005 tomorrow morning.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVKD

[Greg Hyde]

Why is each B787 being certified in Cairns ?

I fought that once a type was certified it was certified for a/c of that type ?

[Dave Parer]

All that I have heard is that there is apparently no space in Melbourne to park the 787 for a couple of weeks, so it goes to Cairns for certification.

So, VKD is sitting in Cairns, VKA is based out of Melbourne doing the Bali run, and VKB should be departing Sydney now for the inaugural 787 service to Bali.

[MarkR]

Why is each B787 being certified in Cairns ?

I fought that once a type was certified it was certified for a/c of that type ?

They are not being certified in Cairns, an aircraft is certified before it has its registration applied, they are having AOC validation exercises, thats the official word, unofficial word is a short holiday was required after a very heavy landing, very unofficial source: Steve Purvinas ‏@StevePurvinas 11h
Rumour that a Jetstar 787 Dreamliner in Cairns has endured major cracks In windows and wings after a heavy landing. More to come...

[Craig Murray]

very unofficial source: Steve Purvinas

ROFL, surprised he didn't also try and blame it on the fact that it wasn't built in Australia! Sounds so "unofficial" that it is in fact a big load of baloney.

[Oliver Gigacz]

Jetstar's fourth (VH-VKE) has entered the final assembly line at Paine Field.