Emirates B773 Burns On Landing
All passengers and crew apparently safely evacuated.
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Landing gear collapsed on landing, according to a UAE news source and avherald. Known issue prior to landing, it seems, as emergency services were already activated.
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The latest update on avhearld indicates it may be a botched go-around?
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Given that the Airport is still closed (nothing moving on FR24), the Aircraft must have ended up between the two runways. Good that all appear to have got out safely.
EK415 which departed Sydney at 06:00 today was diverted and has landed at Jebel Ali Airport in Dubai. EK413 due to depart Sydney tonight at 21:10 is showing as delayed to 22:30. QF1 returned to Sydney for other reasons (see other thread). |
A few pictures from the incident today.
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transp...-in-pictures#1 http://www.thenational.ae/storyimage...-160809716.jpg |
Ouch. That hurts! So sad to see such a miserable end to such a beautiful machine :( :(
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Much sadder than the sight of that B777 is the news that a firefighter died while helping pax to evacuate (see latest update on avherald.com). No further details given. RIP and my thoughts to your loved ones
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I think 'botched' is a stretch at this point. For all we know the crew attempted to go around but the aircraft failed to respond, which is how I read it.
News.com.au has a pax video from inside the cabin and down the slide. I've two problems with that... one, filming during an evacuation and two, the usual 'grab your bags' attitude. |
Unverified data suggests 1000fpm descent when she hit the ground, would not be surprised if she was hit with wind sheer at the wrong moment in transition to TOGA.
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Hard to believe that hand luggage is more important than your own life.
Where in the safety video does it show: Evacuate, Evacuate, Stand-up, Block Aisle, Open Overhead bin, Remove hand luggage, die... It was reported that the co-pilot might be an Aussie. |
The co-pilot was Australian, he was pilot not flying at the time, I found a scratchy ATC recording and its definitely an Australian on the radios for EK521
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In the UK several years ago Uni's were doing simulations on aircraft evacuation.
To instill some realism 5/10pound was paid to the first subjects out the door. The incentive payment was found to be a success. When the A380 was going through certification they did several full scale simulations with a full pax load. This was shown on several docos at the time. |
Just a thought regarding the absurd scramble for bags. If a similar incident occurred in Australia, why should the passengers not face criminal charges?
Each state here has some type of 'Act Endangering Life' offence. Ignore any state/commonwealth jurisdiction complexities for the purpose of discussion. In my mind, the actions of those in the video is very disturbing and legislation should cover the blatant disregard of cabin safety protocols. Cheers M |
I don't condone people evacuating with bags, but don't think the issue is as simple as many make out here. Criminal charges? Seriously? Do you think in the heat of the moment that would deter someone? Very easy to say sitting in the comfort of your own home judging the actions of others. And what about the videoer, maybe lock him/her up and throw away the keys?
There are a whole raft of other issues to consider, and differing cultures is a big factor. In this case the flight was from India, and generalising here but I reckon many pax would be workers in the UAE who get paid bugger all and what they were carrying would probably be the extent of their life's belongings. So much more valuable to THEM, compared to say what I carry around in my hand luggage. And as others have said evacuation policies and regulations take into account a percentage of people doing the wrong thing etc. |
The problem is that humans don't remember the bad old days when planes burnt and people died.
For example: * British Airtours Flight 28M Manchester 55 dead * Saudia Flight 163 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 301 dead * Air Canada Flight 797, Kentucky, 23 dead * .... As aircraft get safer we forget about previous disasters and the need to get out. |
Couldn't agree more with the basis of your reply Ash. That is there are a number of reasons passengers reach for bags in this type of scenario. It's certainly not something I have first hand experience with.
I don't think that and charges are the sole answer to this, however I think they could play apart in the answer. Let me ask the question this way. In the current times where civil litigation occurs frequently and everyone is looking to apportion blame and negligence, if this situation saw the worst occur why should the airlines level of negligence not be reduce, to take into account the actions of passengers? In thinking about this, I'm only thinking about the Australian system and our culture. I appreciate that in the present example there is a vast difference. Cheers M |
I'm sure the airline's liability would be diminished, Mark. In this particular instance, there is one video on youtube in which you can clearly hear a FA repeatedly yelling "leave everything behind, get out", and I'd be very surprised if a court didn't find that some or all of the airline's liability is discharged as a result.
I'm less sure how the airline, regulators, etc. would actually go about laying charges against pax who essentially compromise an evacuation to take their belongings (or, for that matter, don't remove high-heeled shoes). What I can say is that, in Australia, "disobeying a lawful direction from a member of the crew" (or words to that effect) is a federal offence and, therefore, no jurisdictional issue... it would fall under CASA's remit and they would refer to the AFP. I completely agree with everything others have said that there are many factors which 'make' people stop to gather their belongings... culture, panic, heat of the moment, the works. Something needs to be done about it, though, before it does cost someone their life, assuming it hasn't already. |
I'm not one to defend what happened but I will comment that if every single time you leave and aircraft you take your bag with you, in an emergency you go into autopilot mode in a sense and your brain just does what it's used to. There has been talk of auto-locking overhead lockers for dep/arr. I think there are some ideas to be explored.
Still, BA, Asiana and this, all impacts close to the ground and in all cases everyone survived the impact! Solid jet. |
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Some interesting opinion in today's OZ, which has a number of aviation stories, and remarkably well written IMHO.
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Subscriber-only article unfortunately.
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His theory is that the aircraft's sensors detected a touchdown, therefore restricting auto TOGA and that the pilots, being drilled to trust the flight systems weren't able to override quickly enough to spool up before impact.
Not entirely clear what he thought should be done in future..... |
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Interesting reading from flight.org somewhat elaborating on training for such scenarios:
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Flight Global has some more info on the investigation:
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Here is the link to the Preliminary Report by the General Civil Aviation Authority.
Apparently the aircraft remained at idle thrust for 12 seconds after the Go Around was called. During the final approach, the headwind turned to an 8kts tail wind component that then increased to 16kts. Aural cockpit messages were "LONG LANDING, LONG LANDING" followed by "DON'T SINK, DON'T SINK". If TO/GA is activated before touchdown it remains activated and the Go Around continues. On touchdown the TO/GA is deactivated and requires manual Go Around power to be applied ("The F/D go around mode will not be available until go around is selected after becoming airborne"). I was surprised by the number of Emergency Slide problems, mainly caused by the wind lifting them back up and covering the doorway. A couple of doors had smoke/fire outside and were not opened, and slide another did not touch the ground. Also interesting to note :- "Full control of the fire was achieved approximately 16 hours after the impact". |
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By the sounds of it the tech crew were lucky to get out, Vis was so bad they could not locate the ropes. |
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