Report: Malaysian airliner crashes in Ukraine
 

If this report is confirmed, a sad day for all the families of the casualties, and a grim future for Malaysia Airlines one would feel.

Report: Malaysian airliner crashes in Ukraine

Hi All,

What a sad day for MAS if this true and correct.

As MAS was already in financial trouble, this could be the straw that broke the camels back.

Stuart

Oh My God, that is absolutely terrible, this is only the first news of this as I wake up now, and will have massive international repercussions. As for Malaysia Airlines, I worry for their survivability now, although they need an airline internally, their international business is going to disappear after this. Tragedy.

Hi All,

From flightaware, it appears the aircraft was 9M-MRD B772 formerly known as "Freedom of Space"

Stuart

It appears the flight was downed by a missile!

I didn't think anyone had a ground to air missile that could go 34,000ft.
Must be some missile.

Stuart

Shocking news all round - the circumstances are tragic. Makes you wonder why there were flying over that airspace, given what is happening in the area.

Sad as well that it was the beautiful former Freedom of Space livery.

I hope MH will recover - they were struggling from MH370, this will be another cruel blow.

Tragedy aside. It makes you wonder what shenanigans the Malaysian government must be caught up in globally leading up to these two epic disasters.

Certainly a tragedy. Malaysian Airlines will struggle I feel after this. Guess other airlines will now avoid Ukraine airspace.

Reports are it may have been a SA-17 SAM with a height range of 25,000m and engagement range of 42,000m. How the pro-Russians got their hands on one is a good question but if so, it certainly is designed to take out high flying aircraft. Maybe the separatist thought is was a Ukraine military transport?

27 Australians on board the flight.

What can you say? This is just appalling, but I doubt there will be much else in the terms of consequences for those who shot it down.

Seems it was a BUK 17 that did the damage.

Confirmed shoot down.

Rolling coverage on ABCNEWS24

Thought the same.

Very sad indeed. Not sure whether true or not but just read there were approx 70 children on board and I just saw a photo of a deceased baby in a field. Very disturbing.

Overheard the NO FLY ZONE was below 30,000ft. The aircraft was travelling around 32,000 - 34,000 when the incident happened (Came from the Today Show) . Very Sad to see another one go down.

Apprantly sunrise said that the black box has been taken to Moscow already????

There's an image of a firefighter with bodies to the left & right of him...just awful.

Yes, sadly, there will be lots of noise, but little action. The UN will sit on their hands and the Russians and Ukranians will blame each other. Russia has reportedly taken custody of the FDR etc - not that it is really needed to determine the cause in this case.

Meanwhile, MH will probably see its International Operations fall off dramatically, and other Airlines are already avoiding the Airspace (Flightradar24 shows almost nothing over the Ukraine at present).

Read that the 777-200 that flew MH17 was going to continue to Melbourne as MH129.

KUL website shows MH129 as closed and MEL website still shows MH129 on schedule for 20:25 arrival, so the flight is going ahead albeit on a different aircraft. Also, in the midst of such tragedies, how do airlines react to their other operations in terms of reallocating aircraft, changing manifests, etc. I'm sure they would have SOPs in place and it would be somewhat 'business as usual', although under very trying circumstances I'm sure.

I guess it depends on just how many surplus Aircraft MH have - they are now down 2 x 772's, though their load factors are probably down since March as well. I would expect that most Airlines have SOP's in place to deal with unserviceable aircraft, but it probably doesn't extend to hull losses.

MH129 has always been operated with A330-300's. MH149/148 is operated by B777-200's, which MRD last operated on 7/7/14.

Thanks for the clarification Stefan. Saw articles related to same aircraft for MH129 on both News Corp and Fairfax media sources. News Corp article stated "same aircraft" and I can no longer find that article, while Fairfax stated "connecting" to Melbourne.

At any rate, my post was pertaining to operational reactions in such cases.

Have to wonder now whether there will be a rethink of flying over other troublespots - no matter what assurances may be in place.

It always surprised my that many fly over Afghanistan for instance.

Right now on FlightRadar, I see that SQ321 (LHR-SIN) and MAS1 (LHR-KUL) are both flying close together over NW Iran. Both flightpaths show a dip to the south - well away from any Russian airspace as well as the Caucasus area.

Got sent a video of the crash seen.Not real nice.Not going to share the link.Aussies numbers are up on the 23

Not quite. MH129 is operated by an A330, in fact think all Australian flights operated by MH wide body aircraft are A330's now.

The link between MH17 and MH129 is 100 passengers on MH17 were connecting to MH129 for an AIDS conference but different A/C.

That kind of makes it hard to get from eastern Asia to Europe. Most of the countries in the central/western asia region that end in "an" are troublespots in one form or another. That would leave a flight path over the middle east, which also has issues, then up over the Adriatic countries, which too have in the past had their fair of issues too.

Read reports that Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Air Kazakstan and Etihad all flew over Ukraine following the incident when other airlines decided to change course.

Emirates turned its own Kiev-bound flight back to Dubai and has suspended the service with immediate effect and until further notice, according to their website.

Singapore have flown over the Ukraine in the past (I have been on at least one flight that did) but after last nights close call (they apparently had a flight about 25km away) they have suddenly changed their routing (though the airspace is now closed in any case it seems). The following now appears on the SQ website:

"Singapore Airlines would like to advise customers that we are no longer using the Ukrainian airspace and have re-routed all our flights to alternative flight paths that are away from the region."

Hi All,

Ash W Not quite true. According to Flightaware YMML still gets a B772 on MH149 . Departs 2350 and arrives 0820+1

Stuart

MEL gets 2x daily A330 and 1 daily B772.9M-MRD was in MEL last week.

Hence the word THINK.

This has happened before sadly , Korean air 007. 1983
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea...nes_Flight_007

Interesting that most US airlines and British airlines already has changed their flight paths a few weeks ago to avoid the region ,

Not that rare at all:

Iran Air A300 downed by USS Vincennes on 3 July 1988 with all onboard lost
DHL A300 down by SAM-7 (shoulder-launched) on 22 November 2003 with all 3 onboard ok.

There may be more.

Unfortunately, its not an unheard of occurrence, thankfully it doesn't occur often.

Some others I have found. Some of the aircraft below may not have been shot down but indications are that they were.

Siberian Airlines Flight 1812 - possibly shot down over Crimea 4 Oct 2001. May have been accidentally shot down by Ukraine Military during exercise.

1993 Three Transair Georgian Airliners shot down over Georgia at different times.

Aerolinee Itavia Flight 870 27 June 1980. Went missing off coast off Sicily. Italian investigations and court have stated they believe French fighters shot it down during secret NATO operations.

Another Korean Airliner, this time in 1978, shot down by Soviets but only 2 people died after aircraft landed on frozen lake after straying into Soviet airspace.

Plenty of others I haven't listed.

When talking about about airspace over conflicts, I am watching Flight Radar 24 as many, many major airlines fly over Northern Iraq - isn't that currently controlled by Isis or whoever they are? If there was an aircraft incident over that region, wouldn't we be in exactly the same situation as Ukraine, but possibly with even more radical players involved? Sounds to me like the safest way to Europe right now is actually via the USA. I don't really want to fly over ANY part of Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Afghanistan - it starts to put a lot of air routes to Europe into doubt right? I am very surprised that no mention has been made of Northern Iraq - the largest airliners in the world are streaming over there right now...

The Aerolinee Itavia Flight 870 crash was covering in the last season of ACI (s13e06 - Massacre Over The Mediterranean) it seems that that the a/c may of been lost due to a bomb in the rear toilet area. I expect that it still available on YouTube.

Yes, I find it odd that routes over Northern Iraq seem to be continuing since ISIS have come to prominence - just about everything from the Gulf seems to go that way. I have always been surprised that so many overfly Afghanistan too. Strangely Iran gets very few, or maybe they prohibited overflights while sanctions are in place and have now relented as flights over Iran have increased in the past week. And now the US have said no to US registered aircraft flying into Tel Aviv too (after a rocket fired from Gaza made it that far!!), quickly followed my many European airlines.

RAAF C17 just arrived at Eindhoven with bodies onboard. Very distressing...

MH17 Prelim Crash Report

http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads...nteractief.pdf

No surprises here:

MH17: Downed Malaysia Airlines flight shot down by BUK missile fired from eastern Ukraine, Dutch Safety Board says

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-1...--mh17/6851490