More fuss over Rwy 07/25 Closure
From todays Daily Telegraph....
By Brad Watts April 04, 2008 12:00am Quote:
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I can’t work out why they could not use the 11pm to 6.00am option.
When Hong Kong Kai Tak airport had to be have its landing zones replaced. they closed the airport for 6 months every night. Last take off was 10.30pm and at 11.00pm, the airport was handed over t the contractors, who had to off by 5.00am so it could cleared for 6.00am opening. It worked well Banjo |
Banjo,
The curfew period works quite well at the moment for most maintenance and construction jobs around the airport, but there may well be elements of the construction that require more than just 7 hours to complete. You have to remember it's a delicate job having to work around and over the rather old and no doubt brittle SWSOOS tunnel. The potential environmental consequences of any stuff ups could be huge. I'd prefer them to take their time and do it properly than rush to beat a curfew end time. There's also the long term aircraft noise concerns that have been raised for suburbs along the 16/34 flight paths. If the work was to only proceed during curfew, then the job would take far longer and effectively rule 07/25 out of service for a greater period. I'm sure Mr Albanese's electorate would thank him if he went with that option... Regards, Nigel |
Sorry not quite sure what the SWOOS tunnel is?
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Southern and Western Suburbs Ocean Outfall Sewer.
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I think passenger safety is more important than noise on the North Shore and Inner West (which were under the flight path long before the residents bought their properties).
What concerns me is the danger of aircraft landing on runway 16/34 in gale force westerlies and there will be some very serious problems in the coming months. You will probably find the airport will have to close as the winds are shocking at that time of year, and it will happen the wind can last for days even a week at a time. Glad I am not booked on any flights during June to September. |
That's OK Steve. They're not planning the closure until October 08.
All going well I reckon they're hoping to have the runway available in some capacity (with recall time) if the need arises by July next year. Obviously that'll depend very heavily on the works progress up until then. At the end of the day, if the pilot is faced with crosswinds that he/she either isn't trained for, or the aircraft isn't rated for, then they have the legal (and moral) obligation to go elsewhere. It is fair to say that diversions at some point will be expected. Cheers Nigel |
Hey Nigel
If the western end of the runway is where the work will be conducted, do you know if RWY07 would be available for departures from a slightly displaced point adjacent to GOLF2 or thereabouts? Cheers Andrew |
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It always confuses me why residents under the flight path purchase their homes in the knowledge aircraft noice will be an issue and then cry foul afterwards. Sort of like purchasing a car knowing it has high kilometres then complaining when it breaks down.
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Nick the opening of the third runway some 14 years ago pushed more noise over more areas of the eastern bit of the inner west that wasn't affected beforehand... some people may well have bought their properties before then! |
Nick,
Agree with you 100%. I bet they all thought it was great when they purchased their homes at bargain prices years ago. Now they whine about the noise. Don`t know exactly how long airport has been there but I`m sure it has been there long before all of the current residents. |
Steve S2,
Airports no longer "close" due to strong winds, thunderstorms or other extreme phenomena. That type of operational control ceased over 10 years ago. The onus is now on the flight crews as to whether they elect to use the airport or not in such conditions. I live under the flight path of 16R, and have done so for most of my life. Our local rag (anti-aircraft) was quoted as saying that they had 6 aircraft fly over in less than 2 minutes. Now excuse me for being picky, but my understanding is that the total movements at SY is capped at 80 per hour. That makes it 180 landings per hour just on 16R. Without departures. Typically it's 1 for 1. This is the sort of lies we are up against. |
Nick - Agree. We moved from Qld 2yrs ago and sadly, a factor in us settling in Annandale was vision of the flight path.
My son is 13, has Cerebral Palsy and we love nothing more than sitting in our tiny back yard, watching the Sydney airport website on the wireless network, listening to the tower on the scanner, taking pics and putting them on our webpage. It beats negotiating a shopping centre on a Saturday morning with a wheel chair and having old people stare. We're not all crack pots in the inner west, bring on the extra traffic on 16R. Only thing is, it's gettin rather cool now for our Qld blood to rush out to watch the A380 each morning. (tried to upload an image, but seem to have had an issue, wahever size I made it, was what I'd exceeded my quota by??) |
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I don't believe there will be displaced departures. There would probably be a jetblast issue for the works behind it.:eek: Cheers Nigel |
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Separation standards? What separation standards!:rolleyes: |
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Although, I don't live in Sydney, I get the impression all the stink about the noise is not to do with safety (except in stormy conditions), but more like people worried it will devalue house prices.
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I'd like to see that!!!! :eek: |
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Perhaps the Dashs, Saabs and Air Ambos could do it, especially as they're somewhat limited in their cross wind allowances compared to the larger jets. Anyway, I appreciate it's somewhat above your pay scale. :cool: Cheers |
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It's great to see someone appreciate their location that close to the airport rather than complain! |
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