New JQ Domestic Services eff 01/03/10
 

From 1 March 2010, JQ will operate 3 new daily return services on:

MEL-NTL
MEL-HBA
MEL-OOL

All operated (by a new presumably) A320 aircraft.

Then from April, there is an additional MEL-CNS so maybe the above are just temporary for March only?

They have just reduced and then reintroduced again. Nothing really new anyway.

Its this MEL-CNS a A330 run?

No, the new MEL-CNS starts April 1, and is operated by A320 in the afternoon. The existing morning service is operated by A321.

So is the A332 on any Domestic routes at the moment apart from MEL-SYD?, even just temporarily. Remember seeing it on MEL-OOL few months back.

I have no idea what aircraft do what without checking the flights individually. Andrew C is one person who has good knowledge about that sort of stuff.

Cabin crew received a communication last week that Jetstar is operating the A330 on MEL-OOL-MEL once daily effective Dec 3rd. The flight numbers are JQ440/443 - dep MEL 11:00, arr OOL 12:05, dep OOL 13:05, arr MEL 16:20. So look out for her at the domestic terminal. :D

Not sure how long they'll be running the 330 on the route, was only given a start date.

looks like it was only going for a week.

These domestic flights are probably being used to test VH-EBK which is due to begin JQ services in early DEC?

Also the new 4x weekly CNS-KIX-CNS A332 flights are now loaded in the schedules.

I cant see how this aircraft gets to/from CNS and what this aircraft does the other 3 days a week??

Thanks

Perhaps the aircraft is swapped/rotated at KIX with the aircraft operating KIX-OOL or after operating KIX-CNS it may then move on to CNS-NRT? There are definitely options there. Not all aircraft have to be positioned with tag flights.

The afternoon MEL-PER-MEL which is currently opb A321 is slated to be opb by A332 in the not too distant future

The afternoon cns-mel flight will be operated by cns based A320 as at the moment there is a lot of spare capacity with the 2 A320s based in cns they only get 3 perth departures a week at 1815 they sit at the terminal in the afternoon from 1pm onwards.

That would only work if the both KIX flights are daily. CNS-KIX-CNS is only 4x weekly.

Jarden,

It will actually be MEL based aircraft/crew doing that PM CNS run at this stage. The CNS based machines are ear marked for other opportunities.

IIRC the A332's also do JQ 19/20 SYD-OOL-KIX

I read in the Cairns post that they are evaluating flights to NZ from Cairns. You think they could make the CNS-PER and CNS-ADL both daily up from 3-4 a week. Qantaslink 717s do daily flights from Cairns to Alice springs, Ayers rock and also double daily to Darwin. You think they could manage daily flights to the bigger 2 cities of PER and ADL

There is some confusion as to the start date for these new services; according to QF website it is 1 March, but according to JQ website it is 7 March?

With reference to Liam Gibbs post re the perth flight?

is this the departure at roughly 350pm? do you have aby further info as to when the switch to an a332 is going to happen?

No time frame was given, i'm sorry, although the turnaround time in PER was recently increased to accomodate the change when it happens.

The current flight is:
JQ968 MEL (1550) - PER (1700)
JQ969 PER (1800) - MEL (0030)
On Tuesday's the flight is opb A320, and runs 40mins later on the way over, this reduces to 20 on the way back.

A321's were meant to start on this route back on Oct 25th, however due to a number of factors (-VWT's late delivery for example) this didn't happen until last week.

Perhaps the switch will be March 1 (or March 7), and the A320 it frees up can operate the new services? Only guessing!

EBK i believe arrived SYD today as JQ7991 from MNL NOW IN jq C/S.

Saw EBK parked at the Qantas jet base in SYD today. Can confirm in full JQ colours

Did anyone manage a photo?

I was in the Qantas Terminal at the time i saw it, and was trying to confirm the rego of it so got a rear end photo of it zoomed in so i could see the rego. however as for a full photo it was hard for me to grab as the tails of 2 737s were in the way

I don't know why Jetstar have not thought of this one before is to run the A321 from ADL-DPS. Its a market they have over looked. Back in the 80's Qantas flew their own metal from ADL to DPS but now nothing they left all the market to Pacific Blue.

Times for the new services (all daily)

MEL-NTL 0610-0740
NTL-MEL 0810-0950
MEL-HBA 1025-1140
HBA-MEL 1210-1325
MEL-OOL 1510-1615
OOL-MEL 1645-2000

What are the new services then, and from when? The three I mentioned in this thread give 21 return services per week, but that is just one aircraft out of the four. The other three must operate the remaining 56 return services per week, or 8 daily flights.

Here is a list so far:

1 extra daily MEL-NTL-MEL
2 extra daily MEL-OOL-MEL
1 extra daily NTL-OOL-NTL
2 extra daily SYD-OOL-SYD
1 extra daily SYD-CNS-SYD
1 extra daily SYD-MCY-SYD
2 extra weekly CNS-PER-CNS
2 extra weekly ADL-CNS-ADL
3 extra weekly BNE-LST-BNE
4 extra weekly MEL-TSV-MEL

More to come....

MEL-CNS-MEL an extra daily
MEL-MCY-MEL 3 extra weekly

can be added to the list above

Coming out of the GFC it is excellent news :)

Stocktake update
 

All of these add up to 77 weekly services, so there are none left to add? But,
according to:

yet there are no new services to HBA nor DRW!

There are a few curious ones too. NTL-OOL getting a second daily within an hour of their current one, when the load factors languished in the 60s and 70s this year seems like overkill. The lunchtime flights are hardly likely to be pulling in massive yields either. Maybe they are just changing the time of the existing flight and haven't taken the old one out? Surely OOL-HBA would be more viable than a second OOL-NTL?

Also, wouldn't it have been easier to make the daily MEL-TSV depart at the same time every day, rather than the patchy schedule they have come up with? SYD-TSV mustn't be doing to well if their 5 weekly can't even get an upgrade to daily but MEL-TSV can go from 3 per week to daily! ADL-CNS going to 6 per week? Why not just do daily for convenience, especially since Friday (busiest day of the week) is the day that misses out?

Then again, the schedules are still showing at least 7 daily AVV-SYD for the same period, so there is still some updating to do. Maybe it will turn out all right in the end.

Some of those Aviation experts have said these moves are more strategic than anything else, being two steps ahead of Tiger before they take delivery of many A320s next year. Alot of these new Gold Coast flight start around the time Tiger are meant to start another base mid/late next yr- guessing OOL here.

I guess they could at least make something by sending the A320 to NTL and back than having it sit on the ground at OOL or adding another Sydney flight which just might be a little overkill...

whether its Virgin/Jetstar or Tiger that hits this one, will be interested to see how it goes. Mabye JQ couldn't fit it in, that would close to 7-8 hour aircraft utilization, so mabye not far off. They did start the OOL-CNS flight, so you never know.

Yes, I'm sure that there are more factors behind some of these than I am privy to! Are all five new aircraft A320, or a mix of 320,321,332?

I'm also suprised that JQ don't start a OOL-HBA service. There will soon be nearly 2,500 seats each week on JQ's BNE-LST-BNE service, but less than 1,500 on DJ's BNE-HBA-BNE service. I remember back in the 1980's both AN and TN flew seasonal flights to OOL from HBA via LST.

Guys,

The schedules past end of MAR 2010 have not been updated yet. The new flights have just been added, none of the existing flights have been updated yet.

That would make sense Brad. Any idea how long it will take to do the full update?

Reminds me of the mid to late 90's when LST-SYD always had more flights and seats than HBA-SYD, despite HBA being the stronger port. I guess it just comes down to what is available. If they had added for example an extra BNE-TSV and BNE-CNS, then they would have an aircraft available to viably re-instate BNE-HBA.

A Jetstar spokesperson told the Cairns post that CNS-PER and CNS-ADL will both become daily eventually. NTL has a bigger catchment population than HBA but I reckon they could start like 3 a week HBA-OOL to get a route established like they did with TSV-MEL then move up to daily over time too.

OOL-HBA-OOL might work if the service departed at a reasonable hour. JQ could not make their BNE-HBA-BNE route work as it arrived in BNE at just before midnight! I never chose this flight over DJ's HBA-BNE flight which departed in the early afternoon.

As Jetstar has just done with BNE-LST. This started at four flights a week and is now being upgraded to daily. Apparently loads a very good on this route.

Let's not forget that when DJ launced HBA-BNE in 2003 they started with a daily 73G. When JQ launched HBA-BNE in May 2005 they started with a daily 717. JQ's HBA-BNE only got dropped because of the ridiculous time as Ryan said. If you are going to have midnight flights, at least do it on a high frequency route that gives people the option of travelling at other times too. The midnight flights can then be cheaper if need be. HBA-BNE or HBA-OOL could easily be launched with a daily service in my opinion.

And here's another one. Purely aimed at Tiger this one..