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David Knudsen 12th May 2020 01:14 PM

Rex takes fight to Qantas and Virgin [Jets for REX?]
 
Full article: AFR Website or similar on SMH

Quote:

Regional Express Holdings will capitalise on the turmoil from Virgin Australia’s collapse and invest $200 million launching capital city services to compete with Qantas, Jetstar and Virgin Mark II.

In a move that could harm the sale price achieved by Virgin’s administrators, the regional airline operator is working on a business plan that includes leasing 10 narrow-bodied jets as well as employing new pilots, cabin crew and ground staff.

MarkR 12th May 2020 03:30 PM

Last time I checked they had something like $9m in cash, their model works on low cost old planes, I don’t think it will fly. Just reading the AA article looks like $200m capital is looking to be raised within 3 weeks.

Greg Hyde 13th May 2020 12:57 PM

Remember, Kendell (REX's predecessor) attempted to move from props to jets in the 1990's with the introduction of the CRJ200. It didn't go well.

Kent Broadhead 13th May 2020 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hyde (Post 109786)
Remember, Kendell (REX's predecessor) attempted to move from props to jets in the 1990's with the introduction of the CRJ200. It didn't go well.

It was wholly owned by Ansett at that stage wasn't it, and allocated to do the Canberra shuttle (from Sydney at least). My wife always asked me to let her know which flights would be CRJ - she far preferred them over the S340 alternate.

Greg Hyde 13th May 2020 02:43 PM

Yes Kent,

An Ansett subsidiary that went belly-up with Ansett.

Word has it, that the CRJ jets where expensive to operate.

MarkR 13th May 2020 03:30 PM

I dont think CRJs or even EMBs are in the picture, more likely A320/737 with a ready workforce on tap locally, smacks of Compass MK3 or Impulse V2.0

Garry Emanuel 14th May 2020 02:46 PM

It would make some sense for this to be happening if REX had a strong balance sheet coupled with a mindset of a challenger/disrupter.

Whilst I am not familiar with the management, ownership nor culture, my interactions in recent years have felt like they were with a very staid, conservative "brown suit" style of business.

No doubt there will be turmoil in the weeks and months ahead as Qantas, perhaps a trimmed-down Virgin and now potentially REX all scramble to get their hands on a smaller number of passengers.

I can see the $200 million and the current surplus $9 million evaporating quite quickly.

Greg Hyde 29th June 2020 11:07 AM

REX has signed a MOU with ATR to investigate replacing SAABs with ATR 42/72 aircraft

Erik H. Bakke 29th June 2020 11:24 AM

ATRs would require a bit more runway, wouldn't they, so I can't see them completely migrating.

Or maybe I have the wrong impression of a lot of the airports they'd be flying into out west. Happy to be corrected, as it would save me the cost of an airfare to see for myself :)

MarkR 29th June 2020 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erik H. Bakke (Post 110095)
ATRs would require a bit more runway, wouldn't they, so I can't see them completely migrating.

Or maybe I have the wrong impression of a lot of the airports they'd be flying into out west. Happy to be corrected, as it would save me the cost of an airfare to see for myself :)

Not much difference, the SAABs are not great performers when it comes to runway length, they require 25% more balanced field length compared to most medium size turboprops which puts them closer to the bigger ATRs

SAAB 340b at MTOW in ISA needs 1285m TORA
ATR72-600 at max PAX and a 300nm leg needs 1175m TORA under ISA conditions

Max C 29th June 2020 12:50 PM

Most likely it'll be ATR42's as well which won't have a problem at any of the Rex ports.

If their pockets are deep enough, there is an ATR42-600STOL

http://www.atraircraft.com/newsroom/...s-1571-en.html

800m puts Lord Howe as a possibility when the tender for those services is up next.

Kent Broadhead 29th June 2020 02:57 PM

Given the operating model to date, I'd be very surprised if the discussion was around new build ATR. ATR also facilitates a leasing program, and I'd suspect quite a number of 72-600 will come onto the leasing market soon unless VARA continues largely unchanged.

Yusef D 30th June 2020 03:02 PM

Kent, the ATRs aren't part of VARA. They're on the VAA AOC along with most 737s. The crew are part of VAA with their own EBA. VARA is just F100 and A320. All parties have been suspiciously quiet on the fate of VARA. It would be relatively easy to hive off VARA, it's complementary but not a core part of the business. It could go to a new owner and be contracted to fly some flights on behalf of Virgin.

MarkR 30th June 2020 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusef D (Post 110104)
Kent, the ATRs aren't part of VARA. They're on the VAA AOC along with most 737s.

yep, we’re transferred in 2015

Kent Broadhead 1st July 2020 12:33 PM

Thanks Yusef and Mark - not sure how I'd missed that. They may still come onto the leasing market if VA reduces regional ops.

MarkR 1st July 2020 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kent Broadhead (Post 110108)
Thanks Yusef and Mark - not sure how I'd missed that. They may still come onto the leasing market if VA reduces regional ops.

There are still four in storage for three years that are yet to find a new home.

Greg Hyde 14th August 2020 12:40 PM

Rumor has it, that REX are negotiating for the lease 10 X B737 that are surplus to VA requirements.

Torin Wilson 14th August 2020 10:06 PM

Rex eyes VA 737

MarkR 30th September 2020 02:07 PM

ASX announcement
 
Quote:

REX LOCKS IN SIX BOEING 737-800 NG FOR DOMESTIC JET OPERATIONS
Rex today announced that it had yesterday evening signed Letters of Intent with two Lessors for the lease of six Boeing 737-800 NG aircraft.
The first 737 will be delivered on 1 November 2020 with the remaining five aircraft being phased in over the following four months in readiness for the launch of Rex’s domestic jet operations.
Rex’s Deputy Chairman, the Hon John Sharp AM, said, “Today I am pleased to announce that we have selected the Boeing 737-800 NG as the aircraft for our domestic jet operations. These aircraft are well received by passengers and have proven to be very suitable for operations in Australia”.
“Three of these aircraft will be deployed in the first phase of our launch on 1 March 2021 on the Sydney – Melbourne route, with another two aircraft beginning service before Easter. From there, Rex will continue to grow the domestic fleet in line with the return of passenger demand and hopes to see its fleet of 737-800 NGs reach ten by year end.”
“The signing of these letters marks another significant milestone for our entry into the domestic jet market. Our preparations are progressing very well and on schedule and we hope to obtain regulatory approval by December. Advanced ticket sales are also envisaged for December, subject to regulatory approval.”
Rex recently signed a long-form term sheet with the investment firm PAG Asia Capital to entirely fund its domestic jet operations.
This announcement is authorised by Mr Lim Kim Hai, Executive Chairman, Regional Express Holdings Limited.
https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/202009...gq39wgnlm9.pdf

Erik H. Bakke 29th October 2020 08:14 PM

Does anyone know if the first aircraft is still planned to arrive this weekend?

Brenden S 31st October 2020 11:05 AM

It should be here within the next week arriving at Wagga for a repaint.

Steve S... 2 31st October 2020 11:28 AM

That has me thinking, since Wagga is the Rex base I wonder if one day/eventually we may see a jet service out of Wagga.

MarkR 31st October 2020 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve S... 2 (Post 110806)
That has me thinking, since Wagga is the Rex base I wonder if one day/eventually we may see a jet service out of Wagga.

Return of a jet service!

Robert.M 31st October 2020 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brenden S (Post 110803)
It should be here within the next week arriving at Wagga for a repaint.

When A97-467 departs, it should arrive in a couple of days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve S... 2 (Post 110806)
That has me thinking, since Wagga is the Rex base I wonder if one day/eventually we may see a jet service out of Wagga.

I'd say unlikely, Wagga Wagga City Council has a weight limit. So much so fully loaded C130Js cannot land here. We did have a two Hercs here yesterday taking personal (around 100 personal in each + bags) back home to QLD. I would expect REX to setup a 737 base in Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane. I did see a big blue tug at the REX hangar in Sydney the other day.

Cannot find the document that gives the MTOW and MLW.

From the 2010 Airport Master Plan

Quote:

Runway 05/23 is asphalt surfaced, 1,768 metres long, 45 metres wide and has a pavement classification number (PCN) of 20/F/C/1400/T, which is suitable for a typical 50-70 seat regional jet or turboprop aircraft. A pavement concession is required for the occasional RAAF C130 operations.

The 05/23 runway strip is marked at 1,888 metres long and 150 metres wide and is suitable for non-precision instrument approach operations by aircraft up to Code 4C, subject to landing minima adjustments. The current standard for a Code 3 45 metre wide non-precision approach runway strip is 300 metres. Strip width is taken into account in determining the instrument approach landing minima, which means some improvement in poor weather runway utilisation is possible by adopting the full runway width standard. The location of Taxiway A has obviously been chosen with a full width runway strip in mind but its full implementation would require additional acquisition at the north-east boundary of the airport

Defence has previously advised that it has an ongoing requirement for the Runway 05/23 strip to be a minimum of 230 metres wide.
and the apron

Quote:

The terminal is served by a sealed RPT apron measuring approximately 200 metres by 100 metres. The apron has been expanded several times in the past, at various dates, resulting in a patchwork of surface textures, ages and qualities. Pavement failures, especially in the older, southwestern corner towards the Mobil fuel facility, are extensive as a result of overloading by Dash 8-300 aircraft. This area is scheduled for resurfacing during the current financial year.

The RPT apron is presently marked to accommodate up to four Saab 340 aircraft (on Bays 1-4) or one Saab 340 (on Bay 1) plus 3 Bombardier Dash 8-300 aircraft (on Bays 2-4). In addition there is one existing position for a C-130 (Bay 6) and one position for a Beech King Air (Bay 5). Concurrent with the resurfacing works, the apron will be re-marked to accommodate up to five aircraft of up to Q400 size (on Bays 1-5) in addition to the C-130 (on Bay 6).
Even without the runway and apron weight restrictions (bay 4 had issues with the Q400, even after the resurfacing), the only bay it can park in is 6. As the two RAAF 737 BBJ have been in Wagga on one occasion, which required one to park across bays 3 and 4 to be able to turn and taxi.

Brenden S 1st November 2020 12:41 PM

The base will be Sydney, the Rex hangar and the Air Ambulance hangar are being demolished and a large hangar capable of housing a 737-800 is being built. It will still be used by the Air Ambulance team and the Saab 340's

Anthony Collins 1st November 2020 02:17 PM

Is there confirmation of what registrations are allocated to REX?

MarkR 3rd November 2020 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Collins (Post 110813)
Is there confirmation of what registrations are allocated to REX?

None yet, some speculation VH-VUF will be the first by AA

Anthony Collins 3rd November 2020 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkR (Post 110822)
None yet, some speculation VH-VUF will be the first by AA

Could be. https://australianaviation.com.au/20...7-goes-to-rex/

Greg Hyde 4th November 2020 12:30 PM

Rex ready to battle Qantas, Virgin on Sydney-Melbourne

Regional Express will dedicate its first six Boeing 737 jets to the Sydney-Melbourne route from March 2021, before growing its fleet and capital city network from the second half of the year.

It’s a brazenly ambitious assault on Australia’s hyper-competitive corridor – the industry’s crown jewel for corporate and leisure travel – which will put Rex against muscle-bound incumbent Qantas and a streamlined Virgin Australia.

The first of six Boeing 737s – all previously leased to Virgin Australia – is now being readied for delivery to Rex’s Sydney base, where it will be used for ground training as well as venturing into the sky for proving flights (still in a de-branded white livery) in early December.

At least three jets – one of them said to the airline’s nominal flagship, bearing the registration VH-REX, which is currently assigned to a Saab 340B – will take part in the March 1 launch of Sydney-Melbourne flights, with three more now slated to be in place by early April.

Those six Boeing 737s all date from the Virgin Blue era and carry an average age of 11.5 years, predating the release of the later Virgin Australia aircraft featuring the modern 'Boeing Sky Interior'.
'Virgin not in our cross-hairs'

Executive Traveller understands these ex-Virgin jets will largely be flown by ex-Virgin pilots, backed by ex-Virgin attendants and ex-Virgin engineers.

Even Rex’s internal Project Mother codename for its capital city push was a nod to the Brisbane-based challenger, because “Mother is the opposite of Virgin” chuckles Rex deputy chairman John Sharp.

All the same, Sharp insists that Rex doesn’t have specifically Virgin Australia in its cross-hairs.

more

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...elbourne-route

Sean L 4th November 2020 07:14 PM

Apparently VH-VUF will become VH-REX.

Bob C 4th November 2020 08:52 PM

So the current VH-REX, a SAAB 340 currently operating in W A will have to be re-registered.

MarkR 5th November 2020 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean L (Post 110840)
Apparently VH-VUF will become VH-REX.

Currently inbound to YSSY https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVUF

Kent Broadhead 5th November 2020 01:39 PM

Odd flight path if heading to YSSY

MarkR 5th November 2020 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kent Broadhead (Post 110846)
Odd flight path if heading to YSSY

Holding due to traffic and wx, remember it has no priority!

Kent Broadhead 5th November 2020 04:14 PM

TA - I checked later and see that now. It had tracked well to the SW when I posted.

lloyd fox 6th November 2020 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hyde (Post 110835)
Rex ready to battle Qantas, Virgin on Sydney-Melbourne

Regional Express will dedicate its first six Boeing 737 jets to the Sydney-Melbourne route from March 2021, before growing its fleet and capital city network from the second half of the year.

It’s a brazenly ambitious assault on Australia’s hyper-competitive corridor – the industry’s crown jewel for corporate and leisure travel – which will put Rex against muscle-bound incumbent Qantas and a streamlined Virgin Australia.

The first of six Boeing 737s – all previously leased to Virgin Australia – is now being readied for delivery to Rex’s Sydney base, where it will be used for ground training as well as venturing into the sky for proving flights (still in a de-branded white livery) in early December.

At least three jets – one of them said to the airline’s nominal flagship, bearing the registration VH-REX, which is currently assigned to a Saab 340B – will take part in the March 1 launch of Sydney-Melbourne flights, with three more now slated to be in place by early April.

Those six Boeing 737s all date from the Virgin Blue era and carry an average age of 11.5 years, predating the release of the later Virgin Australia aircraft featuring the modern 'Boeing Sky Interior'.
'Virgin not in our cross-hairs'

Executive Traveller understands these ex-Virgin jets will largely be flown by ex-Virgin pilots, backed by ex-Virgin attendants and ex-Virgin engineers.

Even Rex’s internal Project Mother codename for its capital city push was a nod to the Brisbane-based challenger, because “Mother is the opposite of Virgin” chuckles Rex deputy chairman John Sharp.

All the same, Sharp insists that Rex doesn’t have specifically Virgin Australia in its cross-hairs.

more

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...elbourne-route

No longer the case as BNE-SYD starts at Easter i guess with aircraft 4.
There is a REX press release out yesterday stating this.
Also mayby a new livery?:)

MarkR 6th November 2020 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lloyd fox (Post 110850)
Also mayby a new livery?:)

Yes by month end

Greg Hyde 6th November 2020 10:33 AM

AA has confirmed that VUF is heading for REX.

Steve S... 2 6th November 2020 10:36 AM

I'm sitting here wishing they update their livery, they need it!

Perfect opportunity.

Erik H. Bakke 6th November 2020 11:33 AM

I don't know, I kind of like how their current livery looks on the SAABs. Simplicity suits the little buggers.

On the other hand, I certainly don't think that same livery would look good at all on a larger aircraft like the 737.


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