I can be wrong Ash W, but......

Singapore's destinations are international, we are not talking about domestic like QF & BA which are a complete different kettle of fish....

These are widebodied aircraft - would have thought they would at least have a similar or very similar business class product

read the press release..its all there.

Correct. The older 777s will be retired as the A330s are delivered.

As for the new seats, they will be a significant upgrade to the regional offerings. Think angled lie-flat seats in C, and slightly modified 77W/A380 seats in economy. The -SY* series 773's will be refitted from February onwards with a similar offering in C and Y, as well as 77W seats in First.

Ash - The routes that the A330 will be operating all currently get the -SR* birds, which are regional 2-class config. They are programmed at 84k lb thrust (vs 92k for the long haul ones), 2-3-2 seating in C (50" pitch) and a regional recliner seat.

I was talking about international with BA and Qantas too, trying to compare apples to apples. Perth-Singapore is a short to medium haul route, pretty much the same as Qantas trans tasman flights or some of BA's longer trans European routes. Some of the BA flights in this catagory are 4-5 hours long, Moscow, Athens, Cyprus for example and are flown with wide body a/c too. Some of their northern African flights are also flown with aircraft configured in medium haul config, which is a far cry from their long haul offering.

You might want to check how many SQ flights are under 4 hours, you might be surprised.


Yeah it explains the layout, but I asked if there was a pic or MORE detail to see what it is really like. Ie is it still a bed style seat or more of the older style upright seat?

SQ and CX (Singapore and Hong Kong) naturally won't have any 'domestic' flights. However they do have specialised 'regional' products for intra-asia flights. If you consider Qantas in the same token, that's similar to Qantas's domestic, in that they are 'toned down' and does not offer the same level luxury as their best business products. These are probably short to medium haul flights maybe <6 hours. Depends on the aircraft and config. Sometimes SQ or CX utilises the aircraft with full business config on these routes as well, depending how important they are to the airline as well as aircraft rotation.

In my honest opinion, if the aircraft is going to be used for these regional routes, there simply isn't the need to make a full flat bed with all the gizmo. The pax will surely appreciate it but in most cases flat beds are a feature that simply most pax would not need when we're talking about 2-4 hour flights. If they don't fit in flatbeds (which take up quite a bit of legroom) the airline can also config these aircraft with more seats as well.

and Qantas used the B743 on PER MEL SYD runs, also whatabout the A332 that is replacing the B743s on these runs? The concept is similar.

From Airline Route Updates Blog

SIA A330 Routes Information

Singapore Airlines has unveiled its A330 operation on 30DEC08 in the GDS.

Initially the A330-300 will be operating short-haul route for crew familiarization.

Singapore - Kuala Lumpur
SQ106/107, x67, 16FEB09 - 27MAR09
SQ118/119, Daily, 16FEB09 - 28MAR09

Singapore - Jakarta
SQ958/959, Daily, 16FEB09 - 28MAR09

Singapore - Brisbane
All 17 weekly service replacing B777-200 from 29MAR09.

First flight to operate on SQ255 to celebrate its 25th anniversary of Brisbane operation

Singapore - Perth
SQ225/224, x23, effective 02APR09
SQ223/226, Daily, effective 01MAY09
SQ215/216, Daily, effective 01MAY09

Singapore - Nagoya
SQ672/671, Daily, effective 01JUN09

Singapore - Adelaide
SQ269/268, Daily, effective 02JUN09

It's an angled lie flat seat as I have revealed in Post #23

Not exactly.

QF offer the skybed on all PER-SIN-PER flights.

Infact QF offers the skybed on all SIN flights which i think gives them an advantage over SQs regional biz product.

The new SQ Regional Business seat seems to be alot like Qantas' first generation Skybed seats anyway. Sounds like Singapore Airlines is upgrading it's product to MATCH Qantas.