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Old 7th July 2013, 10:25 AM
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This aircraft was a regular visitor to Sydney up until 10/06/2011.

Looks like it landed very short, clipping the rock wall, although some eye witnesses said the approcah looked abnormal also.
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Old 7th July 2013, 11:42 AM
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just heard a clip on Live ATC from the approach and you can clearly hear the captain call the tower telling them they have a problem, actually, he just calls out "we have a problem".
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Old 7th July 2013, 12:42 PM
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Cheers Monty.

Interesting. I'm not one for speculation normally, but this just smells of another 777 power loss after a long flight in cold temps.

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Old 7th July 2013, 01:06 PM
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Fair few eyewitness accounts floating around but many seem seriously questionable. There's one from someone who says he was seated in the middle of the plane, not at the back, but then he's giving a detailed account of what he "saw" happening at the back. You know, through all the toilets and galleys and while strapped to his forward-facing seat.

It does seem like the landing gear clipped the seawall and collapsed.

The photo of people walking away toting large carry-on luggage is bizarre but not exactly surprising.
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Old 7th July 2013, 01:38 PM
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Every evacuation seems to have people with bags and now people taking photos on their phones
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Old 7th July 2013, 01:48 PM
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Asiana use the PW engine. BA use the RR.

The decent profile for the approach seems steep, then flattened out.

I read that Asiana pilots are obsessed with smooth landings and typically flatten out the approach for a smoother flare/touchdown.

The ILS was also not operational I am told - PAPI being the only glide-slope reference.

Possibly undershot the threshold and in an attempt to arrest, over-rotated and hit the tail into the ground, causing it to detach.

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Old 7th July 2013, 01:54 PM
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Thomas, both GP & PAPI was NOTAM'd out I thought? Sadly looks like he landed short. Pilot error or technical problem - time will tell. The weather was perfect, clear skies and calm winds.

The UA B747 holding short would have ***** themselves I'd say.

Interesting graphic from the approach the day before and the day of the accident.

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Old 7th July 2013, 02:18 PM
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I can only imagine what the crew of that UA 747 were thinking.

SFO is one of the most popular spotting airports in the US. Given how nice the day was and being a weekend, it would have been interesting to see how many were out there and witnessed it. Any photos taken will be crucial in the investigation - this is another reason why spotters are actually good for airports, not a danger.
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Every evacuation seems to have people with bags and now people taking photos on their phones
To be fair, the person who tweeted that was a fair distance from the aircraft and also notably refused media requests, later saying he only sent that out to let people know that he was OK (and to a lesser extent, that a large number of people seemed to be largely OK).

On the face of it, compared to the average person, I think he acted relatively thoughtfully and not unreasonably.
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Old 7th July 2013, 05:05 PM
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It is not a criticism of them taking photos - it is just interesting that people think that as soon as they get out, that the danger is over.
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