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Old 9th February 2010, 01:28 PM
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Question 34L pavement failure!

Just saw this on ATIS:

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+ OPR INFO: RWY 34L NOT AVBL UNTIL APPROX 0400 DUE PAVEMENT
FAILURE
Anyone know more details? Sounds rather dramatic!
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Old 9th February 2010, 01:49 PM
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After the rain we've had, and now the sun hitting it, the pavement weak spots get exposed and voila, we have a failure! The public roads will be no different, but you probably won't really notice them as they blend into the other failures. Pot holes or delamination can form and jetblast scatters the debris. Obviously the loose stone (or chunks of it) and resulting hole aren't exactly ideal for aircraft operations.

I'm actually amazed the closure of 34L we did on Sunday for a pavement failure didn't get reported here...
There's also been at least a dozen small failures in the past 3 or 4 days which have either required closure or restrictions to facilitate temporary repairs. The curfew period gives the opportunity to put more permanent repairs in place.
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Old 9th February 2010, 01:53 PM
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Thanks for the info, Nigel - where is the 34L pavement failure today?

Possibly on Sunday we were all out spotting and no-one was watching ATIS until after the runway was re-opened? By the way, do you guys have ATIS gear in your ground vehicles?
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Old 9th February 2010, 02:09 PM
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No idea...back on shift tonight.

We have VHF radio for ground/tower ATC and company UHF (digitally encrypted I think). I presume that's what you meant?
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Old 9th February 2010, 02:55 PM
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Looks like the bluetack is working again:

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ATIS ATIS YSSY H 090405
APCH: EXP INDEPENDENT VISUAL APCH
RWY: 34L AND R FOR ARRS AND DEPS
OPR INFO: PARL RWY OPS IN PROG.
INDEPENDENT DEPARTURES IN PROG
+ WIND: 040/15
XW 14 KTS
VIS: GT 10KM
CLD: SCT020
TMP: 28
+ QNH: 1020
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Old 9th February 2010, 07:12 PM
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I thought the runways were made from some pretty hardcore type concrete and were extremely thick. How does a pothole form in solid concrete? And how does one repair a pothole in cement? You can't just fill it with ashphalt right?
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Old 9th February 2010, 08:04 PM
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All the runways at Sydney are predominantly asphalt, with some concrete areas like the 16L, 16R, 25 and 07 runway ends (34R and 34L are asphalt). Yes, the asphalt is very thick, and deep asphalt repairs can be ~17cm deep (these take ages to cool sufficiently, so generally not preferred unless the cause of the failure is also deep). A typical asphalt repair is around 10cm deep.

Although concrete is strong, if it develops issues and needs major repair, the time required to rip the bad stuff up, pour the new stuff and then allow for cure time can be well over a month. It wouldn't be ideal if the failure occurred in the middle of the runway.

The concrete doesn't pothole, but if the concrete is old or weak or the slab moves the edges can crack causing a FOD problem. To repair cracking or bad edges in concrete, a product called Everek is used. Factsheet can be found here http://www.cticonsultants.com.au/CTI%20Everek%20SRE.pdf

Asphalt typically isn't used to fill in holes in concrete, as it doesn't bind well with the concrete.

I should add, Rwy 34L is due for a resheet soon. There'll be some loooong nights ahead....
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Old 9th February 2010, 08:47 PM
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The failure was pretty much at the intersection of 07/25. There was also one near A3 that was fixed at the same time.

Luckily the failure was discovered during a quieter time in the early afternoon, so it wasn't too busy. A couple of smaller aircraft had to do some figures for 34R (a B767 to RPLL and a Cairns flight I think) and United from ML landed on 34R (don't see that too often), but other than that there were no other major issues.
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Old 9th February 2010, 09:41 PM
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On another note, might be time to get Polair out there again with lasers reported SW of the field

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ATIS YSSY P 091050
APCH: EXP ILS APCH
RWY: 34L ARRS. RWY 34R FOR DEPS.
RWY 34L FOR NON JET DEPS TO THE S, W AND NW
+ OPR INFO: PARL RWY OPS IN PROG.
INDEPENDENT DEPARTURES IN PROG.
UNAUTHORISED LASER ILLUMINATION EVENTS REPORTED 230 DEGREES SYDNEY AT 6NM.
MANY BATS IN AREA
CURFEW RESTRICTIONS APPLY FROM TIME 1 1 4 5,
ARRS RWY 34L AFTER TIME 1 2 0 0,
ALL DEPS 16 DIRECTION AFTER TIME 1 1 4 5
WIND: 030/10
XW 10 KTS
VIS: GT 10KM
CLD: FEW015
TMP: 25
QNH: 1021
Also seems to be a few bats around as well.
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Old 9th February 2010, 10:00 PM
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Bat crap is pretty corrosive on car duco...maybe it's eating holes in the pavement too....
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