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Old 21st February 2017, 08:26 AM
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Default Aircraft Crash Essendon YMEN

Original reports of an Air Ambulance Crash after take off at Essendon Airport this morning.

Now reported as a King Island flight, 5 seater charter aircraft.

More info to come.

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Old 21st February 2017, 08:27 AM
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Maybe a rethink of having retail operations within an airport boundary might be in order longer term?
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Old 21st February 2017, 02:07 PM
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Maybe a rethink of having retail operations within an airport boundary might be in order longer term?
It could have easily been an airport terminal.....why dont we we rethink having those within an airport boundary as well
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Old 21st February 2017, 02:57 PM
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Zac, the terminals are placed within ICAO and CASA guidelines with regard airport design, the DFO at Essendon and indeed the one at Canberra are not. RESA and clear ways are there for a reason.

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Old 21st February 2017, 03:19 PM
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Zac, the terminals are placed within ICAO and CASA guidelines with regard airport design, the DFO at Essendon and indeed the one at Canberra are not.
Whilst you're correct, Zac is too. It's all well and good to say terminals are located in accordance with ICAO and CASA guidelines, but take a look at the FR24 track of today's accident aircraft and you would find that the same situation occurring:
* on SYD's RWY07, would have the aircraft in T2;
* on DRW's RWY11, would have the aircraft in or very close to the terminal;
* on MEL's RWY16, would have the aircraft in the international terminal;
* on ADL's RWY05, would have the aircraft in or close to the terminal, etc.
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Old 21st February 2017, 11:07 PM
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Whilst you're correct, Zac is too. It's all well and good to say terminals are located in accordance with ICAO and CASA guidelines, but take a look at the FR24 track of today's accident aircraft and you would find that the same situation occurring:
* on SYD's RWY07, would have the aircraft in T2;
* on DRW's RWY11, would have the aircraft in or very close to the terminal;
* on MEL's RWY16, would have the aircraft in the international terminal;
* on ADL's RWY05, would have the aircraft in or close to the terminal, etc.
Actually it would have hit the DHL facility in Syd, but that's besides the point, terminals are necessary, shops are not, why increase the risk of more deaths by putting bodies in a facility that does not have to be there.

It's naive to think just because it's got government approval it's Ok, especially when you look at what planning approvals are needed post deregulation of federal airports. Not saying we need to go back to the days of the FAC, but in my books being conservative vs being greedy is a no brainer.
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Old 21st February 2017, 09:14 PM
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It could have easily been an airport terminal.....why dont we we rethink having those within an airport boundary as well
I would have to agree with Mark on this one Zac. The airport boundary and DFO are basically on top of each other and if you have been to the Avalon airshow on the Runway edge behind the line, it's pretty much the same. The Gable runway Markers are few meters away from the fence lines near the DFO.
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Old 21st February 2017, 08:53 AM
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This might be the flight/acft, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHZCR
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Old 21st February 2017, 10:05 AM
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Unhappy Engine failure on takeoff

Reports coming in now of a Mayday call to the effect that there was left engine total failure on takeoff from runway 17 and insufficient power to clear the DFO building with a left wing down stall whilst attempting to return to Essendon for an emergency landing, the left wing slicing open the flat steel roof of the building and the a/c flipping off the roof at the back of the Focus on Furniture store loading dock.

An aircraft wheel was seen crossing the adjacent Tullamarine Freeway and the southbound lanes are to be closed pending ATSB inspection/photography of debris across the freeway.

From aerial views of the remains of the fuselage the fire seems to have completely incinerated 95% of the a/c, with only a fragment of nose and tail discernable, and the boarding stairs framework oddly poking up in the remains.

From all accounts there is no explanation for why the twin turboprop King Air with only 5 people aboard and one engine failure could not sustain flight and altitude sufficient for an emergency return to the airfield.
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Old 21st February 2017, 10:29 AM
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Way too early for speculation, but there would appear to be some parallels with Advance Airlines Flight 4210 incident at YSSY, including the fact I suspect its the port engine that possibly failed, single pilot ops and aircraft was turning into the dead engine.
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