Qantas offers redundancy to all 7000 of its cabin crew

[Ash W]

Originally Posted by Todd Hendry

Like buying 777's. Management has a lot to answer for.

That is debatable.

[Andrew P]

Originally Posted by Luke A

Simple point is that Qantas need to change. It’s unfortunate, but legacy carriers are a thing of the past.

but CX and SQ are legacy airlines too, so they are doomed also?

[Luke A]

Originally Posted by Andrew P

but CX and SQ are legacy airlines too, so they are doomed also?

Thanks for the reply. I don't recall saying 'doomed', but I'll go back and check my post, I could be wrong. Never the less to answer your question, when I get some time tonight, I'll check out the wages of Singapore/Cathay flight crew, and compare that against Qantas, just as an example. Now if they are significantly lower than Qantas, then no, they should be ok for the moment Andrew. Cheers,

[Paul McFarlane]

I have no opinion either way and I am definitely not an expert so my comment won't be laced in sarcasm..

..but is it more than just coincidence that both SQ and CX are based in and mainly serve city states and don't have a domestic capacity?

Just thinkin aloud...

[Owen H]

Luke,

Legacy carriers are a thing of the past? Seriously?

Have a look around and see who's making the profits in the airline world. Cathay, Emirates, Singapore. Even Air NZ is doing well.

The "network" model is fine. It just needs vision and expertise.

[Luke A]

Ok that's fine, maybe 'Legacy' was the wrong word. I used that term not just for the flight service, but staff conditions,contracts and unions.

[Ash W]

Andrew think you hit the nail on the head about the other airlines having a geographic advantage over airlines like Qantas. Have been saying the same myself for a long time when people ask why Qantas doesn't fly to places like Dubai or when people complain that Emirates, Singapore etc serve Australia with higher frequencies than Qantas does. The reason of course is they are flying people to their hubs and then distributing out, something that Qantas could never hope to do.

Hopefully with Qantas sponsoring Malaysian's entry into OneWorld there might be some hope that Qantas, in partnership with Malaysian can take some regional SE asian spoke traffic off the likes of Singapore and Thai.

[Justin L]

Originally Posted by Owen H

Legacy carriers are a thing of the past? Seriously?

From a recent research paper I wrote for my Master's on worldwide deregulation of the airline industry and the costs/benefits to consumers and governments, in my research of journals and government reports, the term "legacy carrier" was commonly agreed to define airlines which were established in the pre-deregulation era. So Qantas through this definition would be classed as a legacy carrier (as they existed as an international carrier back then, and the acquisition of TN - also a legacy carrier of the time - into QF would still make QF a legacy carrier).

[Ash W]

Justin, don't think the definition of a legacy carrier is in question, more so the comment one page back that all legacy carriers are a "thing of the past", meaning their days are numbered.

Clearly there are legacy carriers out there that are doing well. Though admittedly most of these have either gone through a lot of pain to be competitive in the modern world or come from countries with low cost bases.

[Justin L]

Ash,

I agree with your comments.