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Old 23rd March 2009, 01:04 PM
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Am also very very surprised by the lack of media interest in this,

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Quite simple, really

It wasn't a Qantas Airbus
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Old 23rd March 2009, 01:40 PM
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.... and it wasn't flying over a low frequency transmission point in remote WA to add to the speculation.

The media could report on this, but there isn't much more they can add to sensationalize the story. Nobody was injured, and because it was late at night the drama had unfolded before camera crews could rush to the gate to interview terrified passengers. This one was just too boring to report.
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Old 23rd March 2009, 01:49 PM
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The media could report on this, but there isn't much more they can add to sensationalize the story. .
yes - question the competence of the flight crew!!!
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Old 23rd March 2009, 02:21 PM
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The media could report on this, but there isn't much more they can add to sensationalize the story.
No, not after its done its rounds on internet forums such as this and PPruNe and others...what more could the media possibly add!?!

So, what was it Nick...?

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...because it was late at night the drama had unfolded before camera crews could rush to the gate to interview terrified passengers...
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This one was just too boring to report.
Let's get real folks - of course there's going to be much more interest in it if it's Qantas...we're in Australia and QF IS the flag carrier after all! Plus, Qantas is a publicly owned company so therefore it may have ramifications on its share price, whereas EK is a foreign carrier. There's probably a 10-fold level of interest amongst Joe Public when something happens to Qantas, compared to that of a foreign carrier which would really only interest the trade media and enthusiasts such as ourselves.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's just the way it is!
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Old 23rd March 2009, 02:55 PM
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What if they were Australian Pilots?? (I don't know if they were or not).

I don't think you realise just how close it came to disaster. Read the Joburg incident.

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Old 23rd March 2009, 04:45 PM
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yes - question the competence of the flight crew!!!
Hard to say at this stage if the crew were at fault although we could speculate there was some sort of human error somewhere along the line.
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Old 23rd March 2009, 06:03 PM
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This one has definately been "under reported", although that isn't a bad thing for the industry. The less media getting the facts wrong the better.

That said... I think it deserved more reporting than it has got. This was definately a close one... probably the closest we've come to a major crash in Aus for a while.

Regardless of what has caused the issue (no doubt that it will be revealed in good time), the crew has responded appropriately by keeping the aircraft close to the aerodrome while dumping fuel, permitting a very quick return if it was required (which ultimately happened).

They didn't attempt to pressurise the aircraft and continue, unlike some other carriers. (Not that they would have made it very far this time).

So even if human error caused the tailstrike (we don't know what caused it yet, and it certainly doesn't point to the pilots yet) they flew the aircraft appropriately in an emergency, so kudos to them.
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Old 25th March 2009, 08:40 PM
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Arrow Tail strike test of A380

Here's a fairly dramatic YouTube of an A380 minimum take off speed test with a tail strike for good measure - it doesn't initially look like over rotation from the camera angle but it obviously is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dhCn...eature=related
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And here's an interesting document:
http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/195.pdf
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Old 26th March 2009, 08:24 AM
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Here's a fairly dramatic YouTube of an A380 minimum take off speed test with a tail strike for good measure - it doesn't initially look like over rotation from the camera angle but it obviously is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dhCn...eature=related

Not really relevant to this issue at hand. Nice video just the same. They intentionally put the tail of the aircraft on the ground. You can find it for every late passenger aircraft during their testing phase (747,777). They have special tail bumpers installed and it is to find the "minimum unstick speed.".

In relation to the A380, I seem to recall that they burnt through the bumper and the aircraft skin on one of the first tests. I'm sure someone can confirm that.
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