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Old 2nd May 2013, 12:17 PM
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I think the only ones to have fuel tanks in the tail are the -ER models and the -8.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 01:05 PM
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crew reported cargo shifted before crash.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 01:31 PM
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If cargo had moved during the steep climb-out the centre of gravity would have shifted to somewhere near the horizontal stabilizer. The aircraft exhibited stable and friendly stall recovery tendencies, something that would not have happened if the CG had shifted aft.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 02:13 PM
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Multiple media sources here in the US, including CBS and USA Today have made strong points during their coverage that they cannot verify the authenticity of the video. While these comments are obviously covering themselves while showing the graphic footage, does anyone have the opinion that this video may not be of the crash in question? I did notice a date stamp on one video I saw as 02/01/2013, even though the crash happened on April 29 - but that could just mean the camera settings were wrong. Thoughts?
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Old 2nd May 2013, 02:54 PM
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If cargo had moved during the steep climb-out the centre of gravity would have shifted to somewhere near the horizontal stabilizer. The aircraft exhibited stable and friendly stall recovery tendencies, something that would not have happened if the CG had shifted aft.
Um what?? This is true but with such a shift it would be impossible to create a force on the tailplane to get the nose down to recover. If the rumours are correct about the load shift, then the CoG would be well outside the limit. Are you saying that the aeroplane did exhibit stable stall recovery, or that it would?
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Old 2nd May 2013, 04:11 PM
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The fact remains....seven souls lost ....Fathers? brothers? Sons? Sisters?Mothers? daughters. May they Rest in peace. I thought I had become hard skinned over the years, but this video has shocked me back into the real world.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 04:33 PM
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Multiple media sources here in the US, including CBS and USA Today have made strong points during their coverage that they cannot verify the authenticity of the video. While these comments are obviously covering themselves while showing the graphic footage, does anyone have the opinion that this video may not be of the crash in question? I did notice a date stamp on one video I saw as 02/01/2013, even though the crash happened on April 29 - but that could just mean the camera settings were wrong. Thoughts?
It is interesting. Has the US military made any comment ? Thought they would have considering it occured on/near the base/airfield.

Also interesting the driver of that car started slowing down as soon as the stall kicked in whereas the van in front kept going.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 05:22 PM
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Fact: B747-400F Crashed, All 7 onboard lost, Crew reported cargo shifted.

http://www.nationalaircargo.com/info...ht_NCR102.aspx

RIP To all involved.

No media organisations have claimed the video was faked.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 05:28 PM
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This might be of interest:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...quence-385338/
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Old 3rd May 2013, 04:42 AM
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Multiple media sources here in the US, including CBS and USA Today have made strong points during their coverage that they cannot verify the authenticity of the video. While these comments are obviously covering themselves while showing the graphic footage, does anyone have the opinion that this video may not be of the crash in question? I did notice a date stamp on one video I saw as 02/01/2013, even though the crash happened on April 29 - but that could just mean the camera settings were wrong. Thoughts?
I thought it was a large scale model to be perfectly honest...wouldn't a 747 crash of that nature send debris everywhere and make a bomb like noise?? and the plane was reportedly carrying mine clearing vehicles which there doesn't appear to be much evidence of.

amazingly there are bystanders so close to the crash and none of the debris injured anyone...it appears the video was shot by an Englishman?
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