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Glennm 10th April 2020 04:41 PM

There are at least 3 Jetstar aircraft stored on the ramp at Newcastle Airport.
A320s VFH and JQX
A321 VWY
Could be more in the Jetstar maintenance hangar.
Not sure about that..

Zac M 12th April 2020 11:13 PM

Updated as of today, I believe they are still in the process of cancelling some flights, this list does not necessarily indicate that an aircraft is stored but it does indicate that there are no planned ops with it for the next 5 days.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fL...KNp588P2SwB9i7

Greg Hyde 16th April 2020 10:53 AM

Qantas reveals how it’s parking its planes

Quote:

Qantas has nearly 300 aircraft across its fleet, but the majority are now grounded due to the coronavirus crisis. Here, the airline explains what it’s doing to keep them active and ready to fly again.

The phrase ‘long-term parking’ at airports usually refers to your car. But at the moment, as airlines around the world go into some form of hibernation during the coronavirus crisis, it’s the aircraft looking for somewhere to sit for a while.

Parking a plane isn’t a simple as locking up your car and walking away. There’s a lot we need to do before these aircraft enter hibernation.

According to John Walker, head of maintenance at Qantas, all aircraft are given some TLC before being put to bed. And even while they’re asleep there’s a lot of work to do.

Firstly, a team of cleaners give the interior an extensive “deep clean” that involves using high grade disinfectant to wipe down surfaces including inflight entertainment screens, arm rests, tray tables as well as giving the carpets a good hoover. The outside gets a good wash as well.

Next are the tyres.

All aircraft from the 737 to the wide-bodied A380s need to have their wheels rotated every seven to 14 days while parked, either by being towed around the tarmac or by using a jack to hoist them in the air to spin the wheels.

This helps having to replace the tyres due to “flat spots”. Hydraulic fluid is put on to the landing gear to protect it from rust.

The engines require specialised care as well. Consider that one A380 engine is worth about US$25 million – so maintaining them is critical.

To keep the inside of the engine moisture-free, giant versions of the silica moisture absorption sachets are inserted.

One A380 requires over a hundred kilograms of these moisture absorbers to maintain humidity levels in the cabin and engines.

The engines also need to be fired up every seven or 14 days. The rest of the time, a cover is put on the engine cowling to protect it from dust and insects.

All of the pitot tubes and sensors are protected by special covers to stop insects from making a comfortable nest. (Qantas)

All external holes on the fuselage such as the pitot and static sensors, need to be covered to avoid insects crawling inside and then calling these critical flight sensors “home”.

Birds also can mistake the APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) exhaust outlet at the end of the jet aircraft for an ideal nesting nook, so engineers also plug those.

All up there’s more than 200 Qantas Group aircraft, including Jetstar’s fleet of Boeing 787 Dreamliners, parked at our major airports around the country.

Engineers from Qantas and Jetstar are quietly tending to these sleeping beauties, and we’re all looking forward to the day when they can welcome passengers back on board and take to the skies again.

Thanks to Avalon Airport and Chung Chieh Choo, senior operations controller Jetstar, for the amazing pics. And check out the video showing what the team need to do before putting these planes to bed.

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...-planes-82221/

Brenden S 17th April 2020 06:41 PM

Zac, are you able to update your table to contain Virgin and also Rex as well?

Brenden S 17th April 2020 06:44 PM

VA
VIRGIN AUSTRALIA (DJ/VOZ) Brisbane (BNE)


VH-XFC Airbus A330-243 1293 ex F-WWYU Mooloolaba Beach Wfu AVV

VH-XFD Airbus A330-243 1306 ex F-WWYY Bell’s Beach Wfu BNE

VH-XFE Airbus A330-243 1319 ex F-WWTE Manly Beach Wfu PER

VH-XFG Airbus A330-243 1407 ex F-WWTU Terrigal Beach WFU BNE

VH-XFH Airbus A330-243 1452 ex F-WWYD Duranbah Beach Wfu MEL

VH-XFJ Airbus A330-243 1561 ex F-WWYS Gnaraloo Bay Wfu AVV


VH-VBY Boeing 737-7FE 34323 Kingston Beach Wfu HBA

VH-VBZ Boeing 737-7FE 34322 Cronulla Beach Wfu MEL



VH-BZG Boeing 737-8FE 37822 ex (VH-VUW) Vivonne Bay Wfu MEL

VH-VOK Boeing 737-8FE 33758 Johanna Beach Wfu BNE

VH-VOL Boeing 737-8FE 33759 Goldie Coast Wfu ADL

VH-VOM Boeing 737-8FE 33794 Fairhaven Beach Wfu ADL

VH-VON Boeing 737-8FE 33795 Greenmount Point Wfu OOL

VH-VOO Boeing 737-8FE 33796 ex ZK-PBA Peaceful Bay Wfu SYD

VH-VOP Boeing 737-8FE 33797 ex ZK-PBB Indian Heads Wfu MEL

VH-VOQ Boeing 737-8FE 33798 Margaret River Wfu BNE

VH-VOS Boeing 737-8FE 33800 Chilton Rocks Wfu BNE

VH-VOT Boeing 737-8FE 33801 Scarborough Beach Wfu BNE

VH-VUA Boeing 737-8FE 33997 Vesteys Beach Wfu MEL

VH-VUC Boeing 737-8FE 34014 Peregian Beach Wfu BNE

VH-VUE Boeing 737-8FE 34167 Curl Curl Beach Wfu BNE

VH-VUF Boeing 737-8FE 34168 Hobart Honey Wfu SYD

VH-VUG Boeing 737-8FE 34438 Jasmine Tasman Wfu MEL

VH-VUH Boeing 737-8FE 34440 ex ZK-PBI Lady Rebecca Wfu BNE

VH-VUI Boeing 737-8FE 34441 Kewarra Beach Wfu SYD

VH-VUJ Boeing 737-8FE 34443 Rosebud Beach Wfu MEL

VH-VUK Boeing 737-8FE 36602 Seaford Beach Wfu BNE

VH-VUL Boeing 737-8FE 36603 Ocean Grove Beach Wfu ADL

VH-VUO Boeing 737-8FE 36601 ex ZK-PBM Eighty Mile Beach Wfu BNE

VH-VUP Boeing 737-8FE 36604 ex ZK-PBK Lighthouse Beach Wfu CHC

VH-VUQ Boeing 737-8FE 36605 ex ZK-PBL Merewether Beach Wfu SYD

VH-VUR Boeing 737-8FE 36606 Star City Wfu BNE

VH-VUS Boeing 737-8FE 36607 Seaspray Beach Wfu SYD

VH-VUT Boeing 737-8FE 36608 Alma Bay Wfu ADL

VH-VUU Boeing 737-8FE 36609 Kingscliff Beach Wfu BNE

VH-VUV Boeing 737-8FE 37821 Binalong Bay Wfu BNE

VH-VUW Boeing 737-8KG 39449 Pebbly Beach Wfu ADL

VH-VUY Boeing 737-8KG 39450 Snapper Rocks Wfu BNE

VH-VUZ Boeing 737-8FE 39921 Lennox Head Wfu ADL

VH-YFC Boeing 737-81D 39413 Bondi Beach Wfu BNE

VH-YFE Boeing 737-81D 39414 Sunshine Beach Wfu BNE

VH-YFF Boeing 737-8FE 40994 (Wineglass Bay) Wfu PER

VH-YFG Boeing 737-8FE 40999 Hanson Bay Wfu PER

VH-YFH Boeing 737-8FE 40996 Mindil Beach Wfu SYD

VH-YFI Boeing 737-8FE 41000 Porpoise Bay Wfu SYD

VH-YFJ Boeing 737-8FE 41001 Surfers Paradise Beach Wfu PER

VH-YFK Boeing 737-8FE 41004 Long Beach Wfu MEL

VH-YFN Boeing 737-8FE 41009 Ballina Beach Wfu SYD

VH-YFP Boeing 737-8FE 41011 Nobby’s Beach Wfu SYD

VH-YFR Boeing 737-8FE 41012 Scamander Beach Wfu BNE

VH-YFS Boeing 737-8FE 41027 Sellicks Beach Wfu BNE

VH-YFT Boeing 737-8FE 41028 Admirals Arch Wfu SYD

VH-YFU Boeing 737-8FE 41029 Emu Beach Wfu MEL

VH-YFY Boeing 737-800 41016 Mungalla Wfu MEL

VH-YFZ Boeing 737-800 41005 Lake St Clair Wfu MEL

VH-YIA Boeing 737-8FE 37824 (Henley Beach) Wfu PER

VH-YIB Boeing 737-8FE 37825 (Trinity Beach) Wfu BNE

VH-YIE Boeing 737-8FE 38708 Fingal Beach Wfu MEL

VH-YIF Boeing 737-8FE 38710 Sorrento Beach Wfu MEL

VH-YIG Boeing 737-8FE 38711 Kings Beach Wfu OOL

VH-YIJ Boeing 737-8FE 39924 Pennington Bay Wfu ZQN

VH-YIL Boeing 737-8FE 38713 Seventy Five Mile Beach Wfu PER

VH-YIM Boeing 737-8FE 38716 Bridgewater Bay Wfu PER

VH-YIO Boeing 737-8FE 38714 Lameroo Beach Wfu CNS

VH-YIR Boeing 737-8FE 39925 Cactus Beach Wfu BNE

VH-YIS Boeing 737-8FE 39926 Casuarina Beach Wfu SYD

VH-YIT Boeing 737-8FE 38717 Lammermoor Beach Wfu ADL

VH-YIU Boeing 737-8FE 40699 Middleton Beach Wfu SYD

VH-YIW Boeing 737-8FE 40700 Mona Vale Beach Wfu BNE

VH-YIY Boeing 737-8FE 40701 Stanwell Park Wfu BNE

VH-YIZ Boeing 737-8FE 40702 Black Rock Wfu MEL

VH-YVC Boeing 737-8FE 40997 Jetty Beach Wfu BNE

VH-YVD Boeing 737-8FE 40998 Salmon Beach Wfu MEL

VH-YWA Boeing 737-800 41042 Cable Beach Wfu MEL

VH-YWD Boeing 737-800 41020 Tiramirakura Wfu MEL

VH-YWE Boeing 737-800 41015 Dreamtime Beach Wfu SYD

VH-VPE Boeing 777-3ZGER 37939 ex (VH-VGD) Noosa Heads Beach Wfu SYD

VH-ZPN Embraer 190-100IGW 19000312 ex PT-TXA Wfu BNA

VH-ZPO Embraer 190-100IGW 19000321 ex PT-TXJ Wfu BNA

VH-ZPQ Embraer 190-100IGW 19000412 ex PT-TBK Wfu BNA

VH-ZPR Embraer 190-100IGW 19000424 ex PT-TCG Wfu BNA

Brenden S 17th April 2020 06:45 PM

Tiger
VH-VNC Airbus A320-232 3275 ex F-WWDE Wfu CRK

VH-VND Airbus A320-232 3296 ex F-WWDX Wfu MEL

VH-VNG Airbus A320-232 3674 ex 9V-TAJ Wfu MEL

VH-VNH Airbus A320-232 3734 ex F-WWDN Wfu MEL

VH-VNK Airbus A320-232 3986 ex 9V-TAK Wfu MEL

VH-VNO Airbus A320-232 4053 ex 9V-TAL Wfu MEL

VH-VNR Airbus A320-232 5900 ex D-AVVO Wfu MEL

VH-XUG Airbus A320-232 6032 ex F-WWDQ Wfu XSP

VH-XUH Airbus A320-232 6749 ex D-AXAI Wfu MEL



VH-VOR Boeing 737-8FE 33799 ex ZK-PBF Wfu MEL

VH-VOY Boeing 737-8FE 33996 ex ZK-PBD Wfu MEL

VH-VUB Boeing 737-8FE 34013 ex ZK-PBJ Wfu MEL

VH-VUD Boeing 737-8FE 34015 ex ZK-PBG Wfu MEL

VH-VUX Boeing 737-8FE 37823 Wfu MEL

VH-YVA Boeing 737-8FE 40995 Wfu MEL

Suspended operations 25/3/20

Brenden S 17th April 2020 06:46 PM

Rex
VH-EKD SAAB SF.340A 155 ex SE-F55 Wfu ADL

VH-EKH SAAB SF.340B 369 ex SE-C69 Wfu WGA

VH-EKX SAAB SF.340B 257 ex N257PX Sharkcage Diving c/s Wfu ADL

VH-KDQ SAAB SF.340B 325 ex SE-KVO Wfu WGA

VH-KDV SAAB SF.340B 322 ex SE-KVN Wfu WGA

VH-KRX SAAB SF.340B 290 ex N361BE Wfu ADL

VH-NRX SAAB SF.340B 291 ex N362BE Wfu ADL

VH-OLM SAAB SF.340B 205 ex SE-G05 Wfu SYD

VH-PRX SAAB SF.340B 303 ex N366BE Wfu SYD

VH-RXS SAAB SF.340B 285 ex N359BE Wfu SYD

VH-RXX SAAB SF.340B 209 ex N355BE Wfu WGA

VH-SBA SAAB SF.340B 311 ex SE-KXA City of Wagga Wagga c/s Wfu SYD

VH-TRX SAAB SF.340B 287 ex N360BE Kay Hull Plane Wfu WGA

VH-YRX SAAB SF.340B 178 ex N178CT Wfu WGA

VH-ZJS SAAB SF.340B 186 ex HS-HPI Parkes Wfu WGA

VH-ZLA SAAB SF.340B+ 371 ex N371AE Wfu ADL

VH-ZLF SAAB SF.340B+ 374 ex N374AE Wfu PER

VH-ZLH SAAB SF.340B+ 376 ex N376AE Wfu SYD

VH-ZLJ SAAB SF.340B+ 380 ex N380AE Wfu PER

VH-ZLK SAAB SF.340B+ 381 ex N381AE Wfu CNS

VH-ZLO SAAB SF.340B+ 382 ex N382AE Wfu SYD

VH-ZLQ SAAB SF.340B+ 370 ex N370AM Wfu CNS

VH-ZLV SAAB SF.340B+ 386 ex N386AE Wfu WGA

VH-ZLX SAAB SF.340B 182 ex ER-SGB Wfu MGB

VH-ZPA SAAB SF.340B 410 ex N410XJ Wfu ADL

VH-ZPB SAAB SF.340B 403 ex N403XJ Wfu WGA

VH-ZPC SAAB SF.340B+ 404 ex N404XJ Wfu BNE

VH-ZRB SAAB SF.340B+ 389 ex N389AE Wfu WGA

VH-ZRE SAAB SF.340B+ 391 ex N391AE Wfu SYD

VH-ZRH SAAB SF.340B+ 392 ex N392AE Wfu PER

VH-ZRI SAAB SF.340B+ 394 ex N394AE Wfu CNS

VH-ZRJ SAAB SF.340B+ 396 ex N396AE Wfu WGA

VH-ZRM SAAB SF.340B+ 400 ex N400BR Wfu TSV

VH-ZXF SAAB SF.340B+ 416 ex N416XJ Wfu MEL

VH-ZXQ SAAB SF.340B 423 ex N423XJ Wfu ADL

VH-ZXS SAAB SF.340B 179 ex HS-HPE Wfu ADL

Brenden S 17th April 2020 06:47 PM

Air North

VH-ANN EMB-120RT Brasilia 120-203 ex VH-BRP Wfu DRW

VH-ASN EMB-120RT Brasilia 120-056 ex N334JS Wfu DRW

VH-ANA SA.227DC Metro 23 DC-871B ex VH-HCB Wfu DRW

VH-ANW SA.227DC Metro 23 DC-873B ex N3031Q Wfu DRW

VH-ANY SA.227DC Metro 23 DC-840B ex N3022L Wfu DRW

Brenden S 17th April 2020 06:48 PM

Alliance
VH-FKW Fokker 50 20306 ex B-12275 Wfu XSP

VH-JFB Fokker 70 11521 ex HP-1731PST Wfu MEL

VH-KBX Fokker 70 11547 ex PH-KBX Wfu BNE

VH-NKZ Fokker 70 11573 ex OE-LFL Wfu ADL

VH-NUV Fokker 70 11554 ex OE-LFH Wfu BNE

VH-NUY Fokker 70 11560 ex OE-LFP Wfu BTS

VH-NUZ Fokker 70 11568 ex OE-LFQ Wfu BNE

VH-QQY Fokker 70 11575 ex 9H-AFZ Wfu ASP

VH-FKG Fokker 100 11366 ex N891US Wfu CNS

VH-UQP Fokker 100 11359 ex OE-LVJ Wfu BTS

VH-VIF Fokker 100 11406 ex OE-IIC Wfu MEL

VH-VKN Fokker 100 11459 ex HB-JVE Wfu ASP

VH-VKQ Fokker 100 11501 ex HB-JVC Wfu ASP

Stefan Perkas 18th April 2020 01:18 AM

VH-JFB is currently flying operating FIFO's out of Adelaide at the moment. Fokker 50 VH-FKX has been scrapped.

Greg Hyde 20th April 2020 09:43 AM

Sydney Airport granted permission to store more grounded aircraft

Quote:

The government has granted approval for Sydney Airport to use the shortest of its three runways to store grounded aircraft.

The east-way runway will now double its capacity to accommodate 50 planes. Traditionally, the strip accounts for less than one in 10 take-off and landings and is used during bad weather or under noise-sharing arrangements.

Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack said, “This measure begins next Wednesday and is a safe and practical response to the significant demand for aircraft parking from domestic and international airlines.

“The continued movement of essential workers, medical supplies and agricultural exports are uninterrupted with the airport’s primary north-south parallel runways remaining operational.”

The move is a temporary measure and was made in consultation with Airservices Australia and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

Sydney Airport aims to resume normal operations when the aircraft can be accommodated in normal parking bays.

It’s currently estimated that Qantas and Jetstar have grounded 200 of their 316 aircraft, and Virgin and Tigerair 105.

However, a handful of those are likely to return to service, after the government finalised a deal with Qantas and Virgin to underwrite a minimum domestic network, to the value of $165 million.

The services will cover all capital cities and begin to roll out immediately before being reviewed in eight weeks’ time.

It means the number of passenger flights operated by the Qantas Group will increase from 105 to 164 per week; while Virgin will shift from running only Sydney-Melbourne services to now flying 64 return services.
https://australianaviation.com.au/20...ircraft-82350/

Shaal L 20th April 2020 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hyde (Post 109659)
Sydney Airport granted permission to store more grounded aircraft



https://australianaviation.com.au/20...ircraft-82350/

Isn't 16L/34R the shortest?.

Erik H. Bakke 21st April 2020 08:59 AM

Yes, but it's so far away it would cost too much in fuel to send them there :D

MarkR 21st April 2020 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaal L (Post 109663)
Isn't 16L/34R the shortest?.

There’s only 90m difference, but prevailing winds are more important in that context

Steve S... 2 21st April 2020 12:34 PM

We are now coming into the season of horrendous westerly winds. They often commence in May or June but we have had them three times already in April.

So they must be ok with scrambling to clear all stored aircraft off runway 07/25 when this happens? Or just close the airport when the crosswind exceeds limits.... !?

MarkR 21st April 2020 04:55 PM

An airport is never closed because of winds regardless, and most aircraft can handle decent crosswinds, after all 07/25 was closed for quite a number of years

Robert.M 25th April 2020 01:55 PM

I have updated RXA list https://1drv.ms/x/s!Aj_jQ5lHkqWMriRz...S2AEQ?e=A8fsJ3

Adrian B 28th April 2020 10:18 AM

Link to Ingrid Hendriksen Photography here for a heap of amazing shots from Avalon.

Pay attention to the engine covers for a little fun.

MarkR 28th April 2020 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian B (Post 109713)
Link to Ingrid Hendriksen Photography here for a heap of amazing shots from Avalon.

Pay attention to the engine covers for a little fun.

Nalanji Dreaming looks a bit odd with the whirly birds on the roof

Adrian B 28th April 2020 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkR (Post 109714)
Nalanji Dreaming looks a bit odd with the whirly birds on the roof

New and improved Ram Air Turbines??

Greg Hyde 4th May 2020 11:32 AM

The Alice transformed into a $3bn aircraft wonderland

As the coronavirus crisis turns *cities into ghost towns with quiet streets and empty skies, one of the country’s most remote places is thriving.

For weeks now there has been a steady stream of gleaming new *arrivals in Alice Springs, from Fokker 100s to A380s, all seeking a temporary home in Australia’s dry and dusty Red Centre. Their destination is Asia Pacific Aircraft Storage set on 100ha at Alice Springs Airport.

Far from being a “plane boneyard” where aircraft are broken up for parts and scrapped, APAS provides around-the-clock maintenance for the jets until their airline or leasing company owners want them back.

Alongside grounded Boeing 737 Max 8s belonging to Silk Air and Fiji Airways sit four Singapore Airlines A380s and three 777s; four Scoot A320s, two NokScoot 777s and three Fokkers from Alliance Airlines. Their combined worth is estimated to be more than $3bn and more planes are on their way, as a result of the global health pandemic that has forced thousands of aircraft out of the sky.

While APAS could be seen as capitalising on the crisis, managing director Tom Vincent said it was not some overnight success story.

“This business I set up 10 years ago. We’ve been quietly working away to gain all the regulatory *approvals to maintain the aircraft and a lot of time and capital that has gone into that,” he said.

“Had we not done that, we wouldn’t have been able to capitalise on the current situation. We’ve always built everything so that we can manage rapid expansion.”

Mr Vincent expects to have a dozen storage roads on the site by the end of June after fast-tracking his planned stage two and three expansions.

The new infrastructure will provide capacity for up to 100 aircraft and, judging by demand, that will be quickly snapped up.

“If you’re in this, you love aviation and it is dreadful to see the industry hurt so much,” Mr Vincent said.

“But we’re here to provide a service and it’s a service that’s valued by our customers and we’re happy to be supporting them.”

Notably absent from the site are hundreds of grounded Qantas and Virgin Australia aircraft that have instead been parked at airports around the country.

The only exception is one Qantas 747, which has been sent to California’s Mojave Desert for what is expected to be an early retirement.

Alice Springs Airport manager Dave Batic said the aircraft storage centre was not only creating additional employment for the area, it was a tourist drawcard.

“Out of every crisis there’s an opportunity, and this is an opportunity not just for Alice Springs and the Northern Territory but Australia itself,” he said.

“This could potentially be the world’s biggest aircraft storage *facility. We’d support that expansion.”

Mr Batic said Alice Springs had the advantage of space, with more than 35 square kilometres of airport land.

“We also have a fully internationally capable airfield and that goes back to the Pine Gap days,” he said.

“We do thank the Americans for requiring a larger runway to fit their military aircraft.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...14w4Gl1RqLqKQw

Greg Hyde 29th May 2020 04:06 PM

Shots of ASP parking

https://www.facebook.com/media/set?s...3348622&type=3

More of the same as photo shown in Latest AA

Todd Hendry 29th May 2020 06:14 PM

I’ll try to get some pics next Thursday and or Friday. I’m operating the QF858/ QF859.

Todd Hendry 4th June 2020 11:58 AM

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A few pics of Singapore. Sorry Alice.

Martin Buzzell 9th June 2020 04:45 PM

It would've looked strange on the approach.

Todd Hendry 10th June 2020 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Buzzell (Post 109923)
It would've looked strange on the approach.

Didn’t have time to look as I was too busy getting back on the bike after over 2 months of not flying.

MarkR 11th June 2020 11:35 AM

NZ sending 777s to ASP
 
Quote:

Air New Zealand is shuffling off its wide-body 777 aircraft to the heat of the Australian desert.

Chief revenue officer Cam Wallace says the aircraft will go into "deep storage" in Alice Springs.

They will join at least $5 billion worth of planes currently housed at the Asia Pacific Aircraft Storage (APAS).

Since the Covid-19 pandemic devastated the airline industry, dozens of aircraft have been left in the dry heat of the desert, including Singapore Airlines' A380 superjumbos and 777s.
https://www.traveller.com.au/air-new...oneyard-h1onaa

Adrian B 11th June 2020 10:25 PM

Hmm we need another taxiway. Kev go get the tractor.....

Daniel M 19th June 2020 11:39 PM

Interesting to hear on the news yesterday that QF will be moving their A380 fleet to the Mohave desert for storage, as all international flights are being cancelled through October.

Does anyone have any more specifics on timing and whether they are going to MHV or VCV? I'm guessing the Alice Springs storage yard just doesn't have either A) the room for all the A380's or B) enough engineers to help maintain them, or maybe a combination of both.

Greg Hyde 20th June 2020 12:18 PM

No Space at ASP.

Plane boneyards: Qantas looking at moving A380s into 'deep storage' in the Californian desert

Qantas is considering moving some of its Airbus A380s into long-term storage in the Californian desert ahead of a possible early retirement for the superjumbos.

The airline is not operating any international passenger flights due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and is undergoing a detailed review of how many jets it will need during the years-long recovery from the global health crisis.

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said in May that its was pausing refurbishments on its 12 A380s and flagged that it might offload some of the double-decker jets.

The airline is now exploring sending up to six A380s into storage at the aircraft "boneyards" either at Mojave or Victorville, both in California, according to airline sources.

A Qantas spokesman said: “We expect all 12 of our A380s to be in storage for some time as we wait for international travel demand to recover".

Moving the jets into desert storage facilities - which have filled up globally as COVID-19 forced airlines to ground their planes - does not necessary mean they will not return to Qantas' fleet.

However there is a growing expectation that some of the A380s will be retired, along with Qantas' two remaining Boeing 747s which were due to retire at the end of this year.

Jefferies analyst Anthony Moulder told clients this month that along with 747s, " we could also expect six of the A380s that haven't yet been refurbished to also be retired".

The world's largest commercial aircraft, which seats around 550 passengers, is adored by frequent flyers and launched to enormous fanfare 13 years ago. But Airbus announced last year it would cease production of the A380, after airlines moved towards smaller, more efficient jets like the Boeing 787 Dreamliner and now Airbus' own A350.

Qantas' A380s are currently in storage at Sydney, Melbourne and Los Angeles airport, with one at an Airbus maintenance hub in Dresden, Germany.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...17-p553de.html

MarkR 20th June 2020 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hyde (Post 110009)
No Space at ASP.

That’s not the case. Stage 1 is 18 wide bodies and they are already at stage 2 with 100Ha available, 80 spaces in total.

Greg Hyde 20th June 2020 04:05 PM

Mark let me re-phase

ASP does not have the space to suit QF's current needs.

MarkR 20th June 2020 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hyde (Post 110011)
Mark let me re-phase

ASP does not have the space to suit QF's current needs.

I think they do, it’s just that Mojave is a better place if your trying to sell your planes or part out, which is the case most likely with 6 of the A380s and the 744s

MarkR 28th June 2020 06:54 AM

It was busy at Alice Yesterday with arrivals
 
Thailand: Three 777's of Nok Scoot HS-XBF, XBG, XBA

Singapore: Two A-380's 9V-SKP, SKQ

TigerAir/Scoot: Two 787 Dreamliners 9V-OFB, OFD


The three 777s are going back to SQ as NOK Scoot has been liquidated https://www.bangkokpost.com/business...ut-of-business

SQ222 popped in to collect the crews.

Greg Hyde 28th June 2020 11:50 AM

ASP now has around 30 wide bodies stored which was their original capacity.

The proposed expansion plans (as of this morning) have not yet been approved.

So they are near/at capacity.

MarkR 28th June 2020 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hyde (Post 110086)
ASP now has around 30 wide bodies stored which was their original capacity.

The proposed expansion plans (as of this morning) have not yet been approved.

So they are near/at capacity.

Not that many (15 by my count) and they confirmed in March they had to go ahead to expand to 100, in fact the NT govt tipped in money in February to support the expansion, and it’s got ALC approval.

Gary Smith8 28th June 2020 02:17 PM

It is one thing to say they have approval to expand; however, what is involved? It would not be as simple as moving the fence back and start accepting aircraft. Wouldn't your comment at post #113 substantiate Greg's assertion that ASP is not suited to QF's needs? Additionally, a great many of QFs aircraft would seem to be rotating in and out of short term storage at various capital city airports, so it may be easier for QF to access these aircraft as and when required.

Greg Hyde 28th June 2020 02:49 PM

Silkair - 6 x 737MAX8
Singapore Airlines - 6 A388's, 3 772's
Scoot - 4 A320's, 2 788's
NokScoot - 5 772's

Plus

Several QQ Fokkers and other aircraft stored before COVID.

Also the infrastructure to extend the facility needs to built including constructing taxiways and pads capable of supporting the aircraft weight.

Based on APAS website

Dry, arid, low humidity environment ideal for the preservation of aircraft
Infrastructure allowing APAS to accept all aircraft type
Stage 1 capacity for 18 wide body aircraft
Aircraft parking per OEM requirements
100Ha of storage space allowing significant future expansion
Dedicated defueling pad with full environmental safeguards

https://www.apas.com.au/services/aircraft-storage/

MarkR 28th June 2020 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hyde (Post 110089)
Silkair - 6 x 737MAX8
Singapore Airlines - 6 A388's, 3 772's
Scoot - 4 A320's, 2 788's
NokScoot - 5 772's

Plus

Several QQ Fokkers and other aircraft stored before COVID.

Also the infrastructure to extend the facility needs to built including constructing taxiways and pads capable of supporting the aircraft weight.

Based on APAS website

Dry, arid, low humidity environment ideal for the preservation of aircraft
Infrastructure allowing APAS to accept all aircraft type
Stage 1 capacity for 18 wide body aircraft
Aircraft parking per OEM requirements
100Ha of storage space allowing significant future expansion
Dedicated defueling pad with full environmental safeguards

https://www.apas.com.au/services/aircraft-storage/

So 16 wide bodies ;)

MarkR 28th June 2020 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Smith8 (Post 110088)
Wouldn't your comment at post #113 substantiate Greg's assertion that ASP is not suited to QF's needs? Additionally, a great many of QFs aircraft would seem to be rotating in and out of short term storage at various capital city airports, so it may be easier for QF to access these aircraft as and when required.

The assertion was they had no room, my post was simply pointing out Mojave is closer to part out an aircraft or sell it, so more suited to QF needs which is now confirmed given the aircraft are being retired. Airport planning approval is complex, and it looks like the feds are holding up further expansion, which will be needed, long term storage will increasingly be needed over the next twelve months.

I don’t believe the NZ 777s have arrive yet ;)


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