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If an airline exceeds the approved speed set by ATC, what happens?
A rap over the knuckles by Air Traffic Control, a speeding fine, or what?
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Cant comment on with speed but assume it would be similar to what I write below.
In 2006 I was on work experience at Air Services Australia in the ATC room at Sydney and the Austrian 777 flight from Kuala Lumpur was on what is the ODALE3 STAR nowadays and it missed the height requirement for MITSA waypoint which was 7000 feet at 20 Sydney DME. The approach controller i was sitting in with gave the pilot a verbal warning and no more action was taken, and I questioned her about this and the response was that a re-occurence or multiple occurences of this type of action ie overspeed, a lack of conforming to the height requirements or even a turn not on par with the STAR will result with a review of data (atc radar data can be reviewed for investigations) and possible meeting between AirServices and the pilots/Administrative staff of the airline. This I understand however would be a rare case if it was to occur. |
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I doubt they'd drag you over the coals for a once off speed breach, like Matt said, if it is continual then it might be worth further attention.
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As others have written here, the cancellation of speed restrictions does not cancel altitude requirements on a SID or STAR, unless ATC specifically states so.
One peculiarity I've noticed is that when on arrival to places like SY, BN, ML we will often have speed cancelled from TOPD. However, unless ATC specifically state "cancel STAR speed restrictions", the 250kt below 10000' still apply. A small trap, but a trap nonetheless. Matt L, it would be extremely unlikely for a jet to be given the ODALE 3 (or any of its previous iterations) as that is a propeller STAR. The difference in altitude requirements between the jet and prop STARs is in the order of 2000' (9000' for jets vs 7000' for props at 20 DME SY). |
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But a clearance by London Control to climb to an altitude above that specified in the chart removes the 'not above' height requirements on the chart That said numerous Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted, Luton and London City SID and STARs cross and many meet at certain waypoints. Vertical separation is key. Northbound out of Gatwick yesterday we levelled off at 6 intermediate altitudes. Brookmans Park Departure is a typical one for QF and shows the altitudes http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/cu...GLL_6-3_en.pdf And this one from London City that slides under many crossing paths and all radial/DME based rather than waypoint based http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/cu...GLC_6-1_en.pdf Matt |
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Mustve been Rivet or some other STAR- my exact memory of the star evades me but the general details there were on par Matt |
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Thought I would just correct some misconceptions on this thread.
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Sorry, Oliver - you might need to re-read your AIP. I Quote:
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Last edited by Hugh Jarse; 29th April 2009 at 06:23 AM. Reason: Italicise quote |
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Hugh,
Remember too that the paragraph 12.3.8 also states this, which is the the same as the AIP GEN 3.4 para 5.11 Oliver referred to above: Quote:
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