QF446 - Take Off

[Nigel C]

I think there'll only ever be one winner in this argument, and they travel in the pointy end

[Paul Waters]

Lukas,
Couple of things to point out.

1. If the Captain chooses to let someone use an electronic device, then there is no breach of the Civil Aviation Regulations is there? Unless Oliver had permission (I highly doubt it), then he's in breach of the CAR's.

2. Oliver can operate his phone (in flight mode) when instructed by the crew, just like he shouldn't be operating his phone when instructed by the crew.

3. There are very very few Australian airline cockpits, in the take off and landing phases, in amongst all those photo's you've referred to me. Saying something isn't it?

My point still stands, Oliver has breached a regulation by not conforming to what the crew (in effect the PIC) has instructed him to do.

Paul

[Mick F]

Well said Paul.

I've got an Air Law exam coming up soonish, perhaps you can sit it for me, .

Mick

[Jason H]

(2) The operator, or pilot in command, must not give an instruction unless he or she is satisfied on reasonable grounds that the instruction is necessary in the interests of the safety of air navigation.

Is leaving a mobile phone on actually an issue of safety? What does it actually do?

[Jakef]

Oh my, I'm sure the plane was only moments away from falling out of the sky right there.....
If the phone was in airplane mode than it makes absolutely NO difference to anything, as it transmits or receives nothing. Filming a takeoff isn't hurting anyone, or risking safety providing airplane mood is on (If it isn't the risk is still debatable).

Surely people aren't this precious?

[Daniel M]

Yes, sure, lets all disregard CAR's then ! I'm guessing you're the same person that drives through red lights early in the morning because there isn't any other traffic around !

[Mick F]

Jakef,
Whether you think it makes a difference or not, as Paul has pointed out, you are breaching a Civil Aviation Regulation by not doing what the Captain of the aircraft has asked you to do.

Jason,
I'm not up with all the science of exactly what a mobile phone can do, but from my experience it can create rather distracting buzzing sounds through the radio's of aircraft when going in and out of reception. Whether this does anything to navigation equipment, I'm not sure, but I imagine it has the potential to do so.

The point Paul has made still stands however, the rules are written for good reason. If you are directed to do something, for god's sake, just do it.

Mick

[Dave Dale]

I wonder how Oliver's enthusiasm for aviation is going? I am in awe on how the laws are brought out in every regard to demonstrate his misgivings and how he had broken them. However, the same notions of law obedience apply throughout our whole life and not just on an aircraft. I am quite certain that we all have disregarded the law at some point. I cannot help but think that a certain hypocrisy lies within some of these posts. Although the point of Oliver filming when he should not have has been made time and again, I feel that it serves no purpose to keep smacking him down for it.

Dave

[David Knudsen]

I think the point has been made here, please keep any further replies on topic.

[Nigel C]

With all due respect, I think the thread has remained on topic. As part of the thread initiation, a video was made during the take-off phase of a flight and that is exactly what's being discussed here.