Brisbane Traffic Holding - A Joke

[Radi K]

Thanks Chris, Metron has worked better and I know it's on the way but it will only work with maximum benefit if there is financial penalty for departing before/after your allocated slot time. Non-compliance is recorded but nothing is done about it. I agree Sydney has improved.

Lloyd, I understand the significant increase in movements but if the runway can't handle the increase without incurring major delays, I struggle to understand why BAC allows more and more aircraft to arrive and depart? Is it profit driven? Again I ask, despite the peak of 56 movements, only 20 minutes of holding was required yesterday morning. I'm still searching if anyone can tell me why 60 minutes is needed on a weeknight, at a time where this peak isn't reached?

God help us when summer comes and the storms slow everything down to a snails pace. Then we will be holding for 2 hours +!

[lloyd fox]

Radi i agree with you there is some hidden agenda here.There is a little bit more in today's Courier Mail as well which may explain more.

SEE BELOW.

THE new runway that could solve Brisbane's crowded skies has been delayed until 2020 as a row brews over who will pay for the $1.3 billion congestion buster.

Airlines are unhappy that they are expected to cover the entire cost but agreement on the financial arrangements is required by September 1 in order to commence preliminary work if it is to be built by 2020.

Although airlines agree the runway is needed - with the airport already experiencing congestion issues for evening flights - they are balking at the prospect of paying upfront for a runway eight years in advance.

The long construction period is due to the fact the runway is being built on swamp land that requires millions of tonnes of Moreton Bay sand as fill, which takes three years to settle.

Board of Airline Representatives of Australia executive director Warren Bennett said international airlines were concerned they were expected to spend a lot of money on a project that would provide no benefit for many years.

"Brisbane Airport Corporation is expecting the airlines to pay for the world's biggest sand pit," Mr Bennett said.

"They get no benefit and are facing a very high charge."

He said airlines worldwide had always objected to the pre-funding of capital projects.

"They're happy to pay for projects that are delivered in an agreed timeframe, but ... some of the airlines paying now might not be there in eight years time."

Mr Bennett said negotiations with BAC had been "very difficult". "There hasn't been much progress made in the last couple of months," he said.

"If we don't reach agreement (by September 1) it's difficult to say what the outcome will be. There are no guarantees."

Qantas has also confirmed its opposition to the funding arrangements, which would set a precedent for the industry.

The date for the new runway was put back to 2020 four years ago, because of "softening demand" for air travel as a result of the global financial crisis.

A BAC spokeswoman said they formed the view in 2010 that demand was recovering and construction would need to start this year.

"Discussions with airline partners, and indeed growing congestion, have confirmed that the runway is needed, so BAC is proceeding with the project," she said.

Brisbane Airport has one of the poorest on-time performance records for arriving flights, with nearly one in five planes (937) landing more than 15 minutes late in May.

The problem is only one airport runway is allowed to operate at night for safety reasons, which means planes are regularly forced into holding patterns for as long as 40 minutes.

The BAC and other stakeholders are exploring ways of maximising the efficiency of the existing infrastructure with the delays set to worsen as airport traffic increases.

[Paul f.]

Originally Posted by lloyd fox

BNE has had a massive increase in movements the past 2 months and anyone who follows my Jetspotter posts can read that info at anytime.

BNE movements will get a further 30-40 a day weekdays before the year ends and as Mick says things will get worse.

We are now busier than Melbourne on aircraft movements and yesterday was also a new record.

Lloyd it would be interesting to see how many of these movements are scheduled flights when all the GA, FIFO charters, air ambulance flights are taken out.

[lloyd fox]

Well it's not going to happen Paul because the same as Sydney,ADL,PER we get it all and will for many years to come.It must be disappointing for you to have to go to 2 airports to see what the rest of us see at one.

[Jarden S]

Seems the airport doesn't care about the holding over the city it not costing them nothing only the airlines suffer more fuel burned and with more delays to their flight schedules later on. They also want the airlines to pay for the new runway themselves so it can keep its profits for more important matters eg management bonuses.
Delays will be far worse by 2020 3-4+ hours circling the city by then. It be soon quicker to divert to OOL and take the train back to BNE city.

[Paul f.]

Originally Posted by lloyd fox

Well it's not going to happen Paul because the same as Sydney,ADL,PER we get it all and will for many years to come.It must be disappointing for you to have to go to 2 airports to see what the rest of us see at one.

No its not disappointing Lloyd,its good to be able to travel to Essendon which you know is only a couple of km,s down the road from Tulla and have a break from all the big stuff such as the A380,s(btw you dont see them in BNE do you,whoops you do over flying at 40000 ft)and the DJ A330,s had one BNE yet?

[Joe Frampton]

Just watching an inbound SQ and MH circling and circling over the Lockyer Valley and feeling sorry for everyone onboard... 7.25 Monday night in BNE!

[Alan Dent]

Just heard on ABC radio news that one of the reasons the PM gave Brisbane the G20 conference in 2014 was that Sydney airport couldn't cope with the extra traffic.

Any comments?

But Ms Gillard says the decision to hold it in Brisbane is based on capability, and the Queensland capital is better equipped to handle the summit than Sydney.

"I can understand that Sydney's disappointed and that New South Wales is disappointed, but there were a couple of big reasons why Brisbane was selected," she said.

"First, the Convention Centre here is ready to go... In Sydney, the major convention centre will be undergoing repairs and renovations at that time. And then secondly, we needed to be reassured about airport capacity.

"[There will be] lots of planes, lots of pressure on the airport, all in quite a confined period of time. And Sydney Airport does have restrictions and a lot of pressure on it already, whereas Brisbane's airport can cater for all of that."

[Grahame Hutchison]

Julia could say anything, the chances of her being Prime Minister in 2014 are quite remote.

[Nigel C]

Julia wouldn't be talking more porkies, would she?