Qantas boss to outline big international shake-up

[Greg Wood]

One of their biggest mistakes was never getting 777s amongst many other bad errors of judgement they've made as an airline.

[Andrew Johnson]

787's will help when they finlly arrive, as they'll then be able to do eg. BNE/LAX & MEL/LAX some days with a smaller aircraft, when a 744 can't be justified.

Also SYD/LAX could end up with 1 x A380 & 1 x 787 instead of 744.

Plus QF would probably reintroduce SYD/SFO when 787 arrives.

[Oliver Gigacz]

By the time the 787s arrive MEL-LAX will be all A380s.

[Andrew Johnson]

or maybe all 787's ? QF or JQ ?

[Dave Dale]

I read somewhere (can't remember exactly where) recently that Jetstar are supposed to be getting two 747's from Qantas... sounds unlikely IMO.

[Anthony T]

Could you then just travel on SYD-FRA

You could, the $937 fare is a lot cheaper the a QF SYD-FRA one way ticket, just do a runner in FRA, Take hand baggage only and you would be OK.

[Matt D]

Qantas has no choice, it must lower labour costs as it's competing in a global market.

Andrew hit it on the head with quote above. While the insular views (especially the unions) continue to resist any change, Qantas will continue to go down the gurgler.

The same issues don't exist domestically for QF as its (almost) a level playing field.

But in the international market, international labour rates set the standard. Labour costs are killing the company. Unions and workers need to accept that Qantas International's ship has a big hole in the bottom of it and water is coming in fast. They can continue to fight with and blame management, or work with management to plug the hole before the ship sinks.

[Ash W]

Montague, wouldn't go that far, would say that they have been run by people without a working crystal ball. I bet no one on earth could have imagined how much Emirates and the gulf carriers in general have grown the past 15 years.


And Lloyd do you have any details of this supposed offer to code share? If so what are the details of it? For all we know the agreement was for Qantas to whack it's code on flights to DXB, but no beyond. Just because you code share doesn't mean you are sharing the whole network. You also need to remember what Emirates network look like at the time and what the aircraft of the time were capable of. None were capable of Australia DXB non stop. So maybe the agreement had no major commercial benefit to Qantas.

I also recall there was talk a few years back about another tie up, but that was in return for Qantas to not stand in the way of Emirates flying to the US via Australia.

[Ash W]

Or maybe even scare campaign.

[Allan K.]

Originally Posted by Justin L

I'll throw a curve ball.

Asia
QF have already planned some sort of tie up with MH. This would compete with the VA/SQ network for Asia. They have a joint venture in the works with JL for Jetstar Japan hubbing out of NRT for Japan domestic, China and other NE Asia flights.

North America
AA will work for them in the US through LAX and DFW.

Middle East and Europe
If they let the EK thing slip a few years back, and EY is taken with VA, could they look at a VA/EY style tie-up with QR? QR only service MEL in Australia, and with QF Sydney-centric, they wouldn't take away from their prime SYD routes.

Just my thoughts. Probably unlikely I know, but I think it could be interesting.

understand that QR offered code-share to QF years ago but was knocked back.. by Borghetti !