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Old 4th November 2009, 07:47 AM
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QANTAS has stood down two pilots after a Boeing 767 landing in Sydney came within 700ft of the ground before the flight crew realised they had not lowered the plane's undercarriage.

The airline and the Australian Transport Safety Bureau have launched investigations into the October 26 incident. The pilots are due to be interviewed by authorities on Friday.

The crew on the Melbourne-Sydney CityFlyer service apparently recognised the problem and had started go-around procedures when they received a "gear too low" aural warning from the aircraft's enhanced ground proximity warning system.

It is understood investigators are looking at possible human error and a communication breakdown between the first officer and captain about who was lowering the landing gear.

According to a former Boeing 767 pilot, a crew on an instrument approach would normally start lowering the undercarriage when the plane was between 2000ft and 1500ft in order to ensure that it met requirements that the aircraft was stable and configured to land at 1000ft.

In visual conditions, the aircraft needed to be stable by 500ft, but lowering the gear at 700ft or even at 1000ft was still far too late, the pilot said.

Landing gear problems or gear-up situations were involved in 15 per cent of airline hull-loss accidents last year, according to an analysis by the International Air Transport Association.

But Qantas said yesterday that a crew failing to lower the undercarriage was extremely rare and it was taking the incident seriously. "The flight crew knew all required procedures but there was a brief communications breakdown," a spokeswoman said.

"They responded quickly to the situation and instigated a go-around. The cockpit alert coincided with their actions. There was no flight safety issue.

"The incident was reported to the ATSB and the pilots were stood down. We are supporting the ATSB's investigation and our own investigations will determine what further action might be warranted."
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Old 4th November 2009, 08:44 AM
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Aircraft involved was VH-OGP operating QF458.
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Old 4th November 2009, 10:53 AM
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QF458 on 26/10 was VH-ZXG and it was not the aircraft involved.
It was when VH-OGP was operating QF400
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Old 4th November 2009, 11:53 AM
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There is an old saying...

There are two kinds of pilots. Those who have landed, and those who will attempt to land, gear up.

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Old 4th November 2009, 02:15 PM
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Passing 700 ft on approach into Sydney, the crew commenced a missed approach due to the aircraft being incorrectly configured for landing. During the commencement of the missed approach the "too low gear" GPWS warning activated.

The investigation is continuing.
http://atsb.gov.au/publications/inve...-2009-066.aspx

It appears they noticed their error and commenced a go-around prior to the GPWS alert, which occurred during the commencement of the missed approach.
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Old 4th November 2009, 06:35 PM
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I've never once heard that saying, Andrew P. after 28 years in the industry.

Therefore, your saying is a FURPHY.

Give us some credit for professional skill..........
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Old 4th November 2009, 06:57 PM
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http://www.skygod.com/quotes/cliches.html

is that enough
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Old 4th November 2009, 08:13 PM
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Swinging Back On Topic, what sort of 'discipline would be involved? Retraining? (forced) Resignations? Sacking??
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Old 4th November 2009, 08:53 PM
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Jumping to conclusions there Bernie. The 'standing down' thing is standard practice in the industry following an incident. It's not meant to imply blame.
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Old 4th November 2009, 08:56 PM
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Do they know the possible reason for the lapse? What about the landing checklist? And wouldn't the pilots feel that the aircraft was behaving differently without the landing gear down such has the aircraft wanting to fly faster?
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