Sydney Airport Message Board Sydney Airport Message Board  

Go Back   Sydney Airport Message Board > Spotting and Movements > Spotting and Movements
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 15th December 2009, 02:30 PM
Graham F Graham F is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 17
Default Interesting Movements over Sydney on Mon

While watching an ADSB track I noticed some odd movements of a QFA114. I then watched what happened on Webtrak. This occurred at 1:45pm on Mon 14/12 .
QFA114 from Auckland to Sydney crosses the coast north of Manly and heads WSW to line up 16R, however it goes beyond the normal line up point and gets to Ryde before making a sudden turn to the SE to try and get back to the runway path. At around Canterbury at a height of 416m it aborts the landing and turns NW and then N to Cheltenham. It has now climbed to 900m, but in attempting to rejoin the landing queue it causes Jetstar JST955 which is at a height of 1250m and already lined up to make a sudden avoidance movement to the east. JST955 eventually lines up on 16L while QF114 continues on its merry way and lands on 16R. I estimate that their separation distance was less than 5km when the avoidance manoeuvre took place.
The question was this a controller error/s or pilot fault?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 15th December 2009, 03:04 PM
NickN NickN is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,394
Default

5km is a huge separation at low speed in controlled airspace.

I'd hardly think there was any danger involved to either aircraft.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 17th December 2009, 10:23 AM
Daniel C Daniel C is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 6
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham F View Post
While watching an ADSB track I noticed some odd movements of a QFA114. I then watched what happened on Webtrak. This occurred at 1:45pm on Mon 14/12 .
QFA114 from Auckland to Sydney crosses the coast north of Manly and heads WSW to line up 16R, however it goes beyond the normal line up point and gets to Ryde before making a sudden turn to the SE to try and get back to the runway path. At around Canterbury at a height of 416m it aborts the landing and turns NW and then N to Cheltenham. It has now climbed to 900m, but in attempting to rejoin the landing queue it causes Jetstar JST955 which is at a height of 1250m and already lined up to make a sudden avoidance movement to the east. JST955 eventually lines up on 16L while QF114 continues on its merry way and lands on 16R. I estimate that their separation distance was less than 5km when the avoidance manoeuvre took place.
The question was this a controller error/s or pilot fault?
Glad I wasnt the only one to find that a bit weird....
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 17th December 2009, 10:38 AM
Daniel C Daniel C is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 6
Default

QF114 Path.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 17th December 2009, 10:52 AM
Daniel C Daniel C is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 6
Default

and 3d showing altitude
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 17th December 2009, 05:09 PM
Josh Cliff Josh Cliff is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 26
Default


To Daniel or anyone for that fact,
How does one use a adsb track in google earth??
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 18th December 2009, 01:48 PM
Oliver A Oliver A is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 18
Default

Doesn't matter how close they get laterally if you have the required spacing vertically...
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 18th December 2009, 11:14 PM
Daniel C Daniel C is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 6
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver A View Post
Doesn't matter how close they get laterally if you have the required spacing vertically...
Probably 200m vertical difference at the time they were heading at each other, at a ground distance of 3.3km (white line along ground)

I put in Kropp and Cathy and some heights fore reference.

I tried attaching a KMZ file for the above but I couldnt get it to work.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time now is 05:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright © Sydney Airport Message Board 1997-2022
Use of this web site constitutes acceptance of the Conditions of Use and Privacy Statement