Qantas/Emirates tie up in news again

[Rowan McKeever]

Originally Posted by Ash W

Maybe that carrot is access to the US, something that Emirates has always wanted.

Except as a codeshare arrangement (which doesn't help EK that much as it has its own non-stoppers to the US so only benefits in the 'round the world' sense), access for EK to the US is not QF's to give... although of course they could drop their objection, but would they?

[Ash W]

Just realised it is Singapore that wants US flights through Aus and not Emirates.

[Adam J]

I agree with Joe.

Doesn't seem to make much sense to me for either airline.

[Ash W]

It makes a lot of sense for Qantas provided of course they get some of the action, or assistance to elsewhere. For example maybe EK will stop flying to NZ handing that traffic to Qantas, same too on the SYD-BKK route.

[Mark Grima]

EK won't stop flying to NZ without a significant change to their schedules. The NZ services allow usage of their equipment during what would otherwise be significant downtime. As everyone knows a plane that's not flying is costing money not making money.

I think this will be great for QF. Opens up many more one stop markets on a QF ticket and allows then to have the equipment to focus on an Asian expansion.

I have also read comments that this could see the end of QF as part of Oneworld. Not so sure about that. Rather does anyone actually think it may bring EK to OW? That should help out with their American ambitions.

Cheers

M

[Thomas Collins]

As everyone knows a plane that's not flying is costing money not making money.

It is unlikely they're making money on trans-Tasman. It is a thin margin route, with a lot of capacity, and most notably, not suitable for A380's and A346's etc.

They're operating on the market so they can capture passengers from NZ and take them all the way through to Dubai and Europe etc.

Whilst they'll loose on the TT - they'll gain on the larger ticket onwards and in addition, secure loyalty.

Trust me - operating a A380 on TT is not turning coin...

[Jayden Laing]

Unless they load it with freight Thomas. I have heard & seen that quite a lot of freight is moved by EK between AUS & NZ!

[Thomas Collins]

There is a lot of freight carriage on TT, by all carriers.

It is unlikely they're filling the 380 daily with sufficient freight to turn a profit...

[Jayden Laing]

Freight pays a lot more than pax. However it would be interesting to see if they are making a profit though.....

[Lawrie L]

If EK has a codeshare with QF for trans-Tasman, then QF would sell lower price than NZ/Virgin Australia/jetstar. Maybe it's unlikely.